Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 11:11, Tom Hughes wrote: > Broxbourne, Wormley and Turnford don't really have significant centres > and historically would likely have been considered villages. Broxbourne > is now a town in wikipedia with a population of over 13 thousand while > the other two are still listed as

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 11:24, Lester Caine wrote: On 14/09/15 11:11, Tom Hughes wrote: Broxbourne, Wormley and Turnford don't really have significant centres and historically would likely have been considered villages. Broxbourne is now a town in wikipedia with a population of over 13 thousand while the

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Not strictly speaking true: I can instantly think of a counter example Market Harborough which is clearly a town with a charter from the 13th century, but ecclesiastically established as a chapel-at-ease to Great Bowden (see Hosking (1955), *The Making of the English Landscape*, p. 227-228).

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 13:02, SK53 wrote: > On the other hand finding a way to access population figures to places > for data consumers is useful. Directly adding population values may work > in Britain where population change is relatively slow, so slowly > outdated data is still useful, but is risky in

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Richard Symonds wrote: > Perhaps it would be better to, instead of having a hierarchy based > on definitions, instead having a hierarchy based on pure population > size. That's what the population= tag is for. :) Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

I see your problem... could you tell me how exactly you define the hierarchy at the moment? Is it ad-hoc, with various rules in different areas etc? Perhaps it would be better to, instead of having a hierarchy based on definitions, instead having a hierarchy based on pure population size. If this

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 15:18, Richard Symonds wrote: > Perhaps it would be better to, instead of having a hierarchy based on > definitions, instead having a hierarchy based on pure population size. > If this gives odd results, then perhaps you could have a "booster value" > if the town is used as a post town

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Hi Lester, can you provide a link to the ONS data you are referring to? On 2015-09-14 16:39, Lester Caine wrote: > On 14/09/15 15:18, Richard Symonds wrote: > >> Perhaps it would be better to, instead of having a hierarchy based on >> definitions, instead having a hierarchy based on pure

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Is there any reason that a place can't be both? eg. "defines self as=town" "defines self as=village" "defined by X as village" Or the like? Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827.

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Well, the beauty is that you could use just those definitions instead: "defined by PC as village" "defined by census as town" "defined by Local Government Act as parish" etc etc. Wikidata is very good at keeping track of these, and then the reader can simply select whose definition they want to

[Talk-GB] useless survey?

Since the British forum seems little frequented compared to the British ML I publish what I wrote there¹ here once again with tiny enhancements. This summer I hiked Snowdonia National Park from Machynlleth to Conwy. Doing so I collected about 843 waypoints in Wales and 140 in the Restof GB. As

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 15:18, Richard Symonds wrote: I see your problem... could you tell me how exactly you define the hierarchy at the moment? Is it ad-hoc, with various rules in different areas etc? Perhaps it would be better to, instead of having a hierarchy based on definitions, instead having a

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

No reason whatsoever but how do you determine what a place calls itself? What the Parish Council puts on the "village" sign -> according to the PC. What the population maps to according to some algorithm -> according to the author of the algorithm. On 2015-09-14 15:23, Richard Symonds

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 14:23, Richard Symonds wrote: > Is there any reason that a place can't be both? > eg. > "defines self as=town" > "defines self as=village" > "defined by X as village" > > Or the like? The obvious answer is that unless one adds some sort of filter it will get counted twice? Once as a

[Talk-GB] Post Boxes no longer present

This is really a question for Robert, but I think it might be of more general interest. I surveyed a fair bit of the town centre of Stockport on Saturday morning & have just been checking against Post Hoc to see if I missed any possible

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 15:47, Colin Smale wrote: > Hi Lester, can you provide a link to the ONS data you are referring to? Main index http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/index.html Useful one for now ...

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Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/2015 00:41, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/09/15 00:16, Lester Caine wrote: The OSM wiki defines 'hamlet' as less than 100-200 people, but village supposedly starts at 1000 up to 1 with the proviso that it depends on the country. Ideally the two would perhaps meet :) We are perhaps

Re: [Talk-GB] Post Boxes no longer present

On 14 September 2015 at 16:02, SK53 wrote: > I surveyed a fair bit of the town centre of Stockport on Saturday morning & > have just been checking against Post Hoc to see if I missed any possible > postboxes so that I could recheck my photos. > > In doing so I came across a

[Talk-GB] meetup edinburgh SOTMS 2015

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Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 08:53, Mark Goodge wrote: Historically, the distinction between a hamlet, a village and a town was based on ecclesiastical parishes. A village was a populated area comprising a parish of its own, with one parish church. A town was a contiguous populated area comprising multiple

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 08:53, Mark Goodge wrote: > Historically, the distinction between a hamlet, a village and a town was > based on ecclesiastical parishes. A village was a populated area > comprising a parish of its own, with one parish church. A town was a > contiguous populated area comprising multiple

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 09:51, Tom Hughes wrote: > > To go back to the example of the town where I grew up, namely > Wotton-under-Edge in Gloucestershire. That is a single parish and has a > current population of 5627 according to wikipedia, which also points out > that it had a municipal corporation until

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Some civil parishes are even cities (I am thinking of Salisbury for example). And some cities don't have a council of their own (e.g. Bath). So it is all dependent on how you look at it. Current population, historical status, government/democratic decisions... On 2015-09-14 09:53, Mark

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

On 14/09/15 10:39, Lester Caine wrote: On 14/09/15 09:51, Tom Hughes wrote: Hell, try http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/1009 where I now live which wasn't even a parish in it's own right until 1844 but was almost certainly considered a town before that, as a coaching stop on the main