Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 20:58 ael via Talk-GB, wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:30:01PM +, Neil Matthews wrote: > > Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from bridleways > -- > > pretty sure I've seen this done in other edits -- agree that they're a > > potential anomaly

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

2020-12-13 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:14 David Woolley, wrote: > On 13/12/2020 19:05, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will allow > > people who can't dismount to go around by the road. > > Only if it is illegal to try

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

2020-12-13 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:02 Adam Snape, wrote: > highway=steps > ramp:bicycle=yes > Right. The cycle route isn't mapped at all, from what I can tell? Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will allow people who can't dismount to go around by the road. > Kind regards, >

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

2020-12-13 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 10:23 Edward Bainton, wrote: > Sorry, I joined this thread late and I see the initial query was, How to > ensure tracks don't just pop up nowhere'. So driveway first then track > doesn't solve the problem. > > That makes me say track all the way, as someone else has said.

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of shared use paths

2020-12-10 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:52 PM Martin Wynne wrote: > > Are there any public cycleways from which pedestrians are actually banned? > > I don’t know the legal basis, but according to OSM there are plenty of cycleways or roads from which pedestrians are banned in London:

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway across field

2020-12-08 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:04 PM Simon Still wrote: > > I’d actually say *more* of an issue with OSM is paths that are marked that > ARE NOT a legal right of way. Around Peaslake in the Surrey Hills there > are various ‘mountain bike trails’ shown on OSM that are not rights of way > and which the

Re: [Talk-GB] City centre landuse tagging

2020-05-01 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
There's landuse = mixed, but that feels like a cop out - there's no truly mixed landuse within the planning system, it's always segregated vertically typically with flats above offices above retail. Overlapping land use polygons seems to work fine in practice - many towns and villages have a

Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

2020-04-27 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
These things can be permanent – mosaic or other types of inlay. From: Mike ParfittSent: 27 April 2020 08:56To: mar...@templot.com; neal...@yahoo.co.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art There may be some merit in tagging permanent artwork on the sides of buildings.But

Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
There's shop=chandler, and waterway=fuel. On Mon, 3 Feb 2020, 15:48 Nick Allen, wrote: > Hi, > > The main usage that I'm aware of is to do with the waterways network in > the UK. Many narrowboats, and others, have solid fuel stoves on board, and > buy from Chandler's or narrowboats that work

Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-02 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
amenity=fuel is specifically for fuel sold for immediate use by road vehicles (air, water and rail fuel stations have their own tags). Unless you're running a steam car, I think you want shop=fuel. On Sun, 2 Feb 2020, 21:27 Andy Robinson, wrote: > Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-19 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
- > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain > spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk > > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, at 4:31 PM, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing > nodes in your area, which may be disrupting rout

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
way=crossing should be regarded as a mistake. > Taginfo shows ~ 1000 of them (0.47 of barrier=kerb nodes; 0.03% of > highway=crossing nodes) which should fixable. > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:37 PM Philip Barnes > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
ghway=crossing nodes) which should fixable. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:37 PM Philip Barnes wrote: > On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley wrote: > > On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > > That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodi

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
I think your new mapping is correct, as it reflects reality - which is what most matters. You could improve it by curving the cycle path/sidewalk up to the crossing and aligning the kerb nodes to the aerial photo, but that's nitpicking. That said, there's still a problem in that at least one

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Some mappers use meadow for permanent pasture, on the basis that this is a fundamentally different use of land to putting it under the plough. Others believe that meadow should be reserved for "real" meadow, and that permanent pasture should be distinguished from cropland by some combination of

Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way vs. tracks

2019-09-29 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
The documentation is for the general case, where a public bridleway is physically a bridleway. (There are also private bridleways.) Here you should tag highway=track horse=designated foot=designated vehicle=private designation=public_bridleway. You may need to break the track if it continues with

Re: [Talk-GB] RNLI Dunkirk Memorial

2019-09-03 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
The Uffington White Horse is tagged as man_made=geoglyph, which seems apposite and is documented (if underused). Adding a natural=bare_rock tag to reflect the exposed bedrock underneath (yes, chalk is a rock) would seem acceptable, and would have the definite bonus of getting the shape to

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-11 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Tricky - it appears to be a rule that all the famous sea caves are accessible by foot at low tide (there's probably a geological reason, like why sea cliffs tend to have a ledge below exposed at low tide). That said, some sea arches have inward-sloping sides - e.g. Stair Hole

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-11 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:19 PM Colin Smale wrote: > * Where the coastline is essentially vertical (harbour walls, steep > cliffs) MHWS and MLWS can coincide in OS data (sharing nodes but not ways), > but of course low water can never be landward of high water. > Is this necessarily the case?

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

2019-06-04 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
An Overpass query for relation["type"="route"]["operator"~"parkrun",i] throws up 38 mapped Parkruns globally of which I'm (at least partially) responsible for mapping four. I should probably add some more, either from memory or via tourism (could be a good personal project...) I think if a bus

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
lifeless > spruce > > plantation and an ancient oak wood. > > > > As a naturalist these precious remnants are pretty much the only places > > where many flowers, insects and birds are likely to be seen. > > > > Jerry > > > > On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 11

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
As a walker, the most important distinction in agricultural land (not including orchards) is whether it is tilled or otherwise reduced to bare earth, or whether grass is allowed to establish permanent root systems. How long or varied the grass is allowed to get really doesn't concern me,

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging a named building now used for a different purpose

2019-05-23 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
The "building:name" tag would seem to be appropriate here. Some examples: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/170028507 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/85945126 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25911545 An alternative could be to have two objects: the building as a way, and the tenant either as

Re: [Talk-GB] Best One vs Best-One vs best-one vs Best-one convenience shop

2019-05-05 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Wikidata (and Wikipedia) use "Best-One" : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4896532 I would favour "Best-one", though, as that's the company name. On Sun, 5 May 2019, 17:46 Mateusz Konieczny, wrote: > > > > 5 May 2019, 18:25 by sk53@gmail.com: > > I think Rob is right here: > > My view on

Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

2019-04-03 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
There is also the temporary affix: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/temporary_(conditional)#Example_4:_Temporary_highway_bridge I'm not entirely sure how well supported that is by routers etc though. On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, 20:33 Mateusz Konieczny, wrote: > > It

Re: [Talk-GB] Replacement of leisure=common

2019-03-31 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Great work, thanks. I note that you've linked https://data.gov.uk/dataset/05c61ecc-efa9-4b7f-8fe6-9911afb44e1a/database-of-registered-common-land-in-england - as this is OGL, I assume it's suitable for incorporation into OSM? Could we pick that up as a small OSM UK project? On Sat, 30 Mar 2019,

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
And yes, I'm aware that tagging for the renderer is wrong, and that a common isn't a park. But by making this change carto have effectively redefined the common tag as deprecated. On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:54 Edward Catmur, wrote: > They're going to be retagged anyway to get them to render in the

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
They're going to be retagged anyway to get them to render in the main map, so I doubt that's a solution. Any conclusion on how to tag them now? Perhaps leisure=park, park=common? On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:51 SK53, wrote: > Yup, it's gone. I think the standard thing is use Andy's (SomeoneElse)

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Link to tagging thread: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/043380.html On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:46 Dave F via Talk-GB, wrote: > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/commit/4df96c4e4927c > > Plus a discussion in Tagging 05/03 > > Unsure if this is a step

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Yes, that would be fine. You might also consider breaking up the edit into multiple uploads each with an appropriate source tag - this may be a bit tricky depending on which editor you use, though. On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, 22:02 Martin Wynne, wrote: > On 10/03/2019 21:33, Edward Catmur wrote: > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Changesets have a timestamp attached (the time when you hit upload in the editor, I guess), so the community (other mappers and data consumers) can usually assume that the survey date is more or less the same as the changeset timestamp. Adding survey date would be redundant unless it's more than

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking closed businesses

2019-03-07 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:25 PM Jez Nicholson wrote: > Fuanctioning restaurants and food-related shops are listed in the FHRS > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Food_Hygiene_Rating_System > > As an aside, it can be useful to retain the old name of a > restaurant/pub/takeaway so that other