Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-06-02 Thread Peter Miller
On 29 May 2012 16:05, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.comwrote: I think Peter was planning on making the ITO boundaries available as a traceable layer, but haven't heard anything about this recently. You are right. It should be possibly to use ITO Map tiles in Potlatch and JOSM,

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-31 Thread David Fisher
Hi all, I was just wondering whether, beyond the obvious use of having accurate boundary data in OSM, the Boundary Line data could also be used to align aerial imagery, particularly at the closest zoom levels? For instance, I map in South London, close to multiple borough boundaries. As a test, I

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-31 Thread Colin Smale
I have just refreshed the GPX files. The changes are: *file names changed - replacing spaces with underscores to minimise any possible issues with spaces in filenames *attribution added - referring back to the OS OpenData source data and associated licence *for admin areas which

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-31 Thread Tom Hughes
On 31/05/12 13:37, Colin Smale wrote: Does OSM have any facility for hosting these files? They are about 500MB all together, but they compress very nicely. Sure - just ask for a dev serv account: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_the_dev_server Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-30 Thread Jason Cunningham
On 29 May 2012 23:59, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: I have prepared a set of GPX files (one per admin area) from the main OS shapefiles. What would be the best way to get these into OSM? Thanks for doing this. I agree use of the data will require individuals effortt, so I'd

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-30 Thread Craig Wallace
On 30/05/2012 16:11, Jason Cunningham wrote: This suggests the original Boundary Line data is superior, but would need to be compared to 2012 releases to check boundaries have not moved. Does anyone have the original Boundary Line release? and would they be able to make them available? The

[Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Colin Smale
Hi, It seems that the UK administrative boundaries in OSM are rather incomplete. I'm looking for advice about the possibility of doing a bulk upload of the OS BoundaryLine data for counties, districts and unitaries. I have conquered the projection issues with the downloaded shapefiles and I

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Chance
On 29 May 2012 15:44, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: My questions to the community: 1) Would a bulk upload of any or all of this data be interesting? Thanks for raising this, it would be great to get a more complete set of boundaries. In answer to your first question, no, please

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Colin Smale wrote: My questions to the community: 1) Would a bulk upload of any or all of this data be interesting? I think uploading the files somewhere for people to use would certainly be interesting, yes. You could find some webspace and upload (say) leicestershire.osm and cumbria.osm and

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Richard Mann
I think Peter was planning on making the ITO boundaries available as a traceable layer, but haven't heard anything about this recently. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: On 29 May 2012 15:44, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: My questions to the

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Chance
On 29 May 2012 16:03, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Colin Smale wrote: My questions to the community: 1) Would a bulk upload of any or all of this data be interesting? I think uploading the files somewhere for people to use would certainly be interesting, yes. You could

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Chris Hill
On 29/05/12 16:00, Tom Chance wrote: Most boundaries follow existing features like roads, rivers, etc. Not always by any means. Many urban boundaries follow roads, but many rural ones run alongside roads and have little jinks in them where they cross to the other side of the road. This allows

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Colin Smale
Hi again, I realise I probably caused some confusion by using the words bulk upload when I really intended bulk import. Sorry about that... I was thinking about a way of getting all the data into OSM without having to do too much manual work. But if people would prefer me to dump the

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Ed Loach
Colin wrote: I have uploaded an example GPX to OSM with the boundary of Sevenoaks DC in Kent. If anybody is interested in taking a look, you can download it here (with a bit of luck): http://www.openstreetmap.org/trace/1242073/data If people want to create their own .osm versions of

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread SomeoneElse
Tom Chance wrote: 1) Most boundaries follow existing features like roads, rivers, etc. That raises an interesting question - how is the boundary actually defined? Is it defined as the boundary between X and Y is the middle of the river Z, or has someone plotted a series of points P

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread wool...@hotmail.com
by MOTOBLURâ„¢ -Original message- From: SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:39:03 GMT+01:00 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine Tom Chance wrote: 1) Most boundaries follow existing features like roads

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Chance
On 29 May 2012 17:19, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: They need to be manually entered as relations sharing nodes with those features. I would say that sharing nodes can lead to problems. Boundaries that get imported or manually traced from OS data often have no visible reference on

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Chris Hill
On 29/05/12 18:10, Tom Chance wrote: On 29 May 2012 17:19, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: They need to be manually entered as relations sharing nodes with those features.

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Colin Smale wrote: I realise I probably caused some confusion by using the words bulk upload when I really intended bulk import. Sorry about that... I was thinking about a way of getting all the data into OSM without having to do too much manual work. That won't really fly, I'm afraid -

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Chance
On 29 May 2012 18:52, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: My question is: how do you know the boundary aligns with an existing object? Aha! A very good point. I suppose in my case because I've been actively involved in canvassing for a political party for years in the area, I know which

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Chris Hill
On 29/05/12 20:16, Tom Chance wrote: On 29 May 2012 18:52, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: My question is: how do you know the boundary aligns with an existing object? Aha! A very good point. I suppose

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Steve Brook
Hi Having done the import for the all of the Worcestershire parishes I will add my views: It should only be attempted by an experienced mapper who is familiar with revert and other advanced techniques and can follow the guidelines on the wiki. The potential to break something is very great, so I

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Ed Loach
It should only be attempted by an experienced mapper who is familiar with revert and other advanced techniques and can follow the guidelines on the wiki. The potential to break something is very great, so I would question making converted data available. Any conversion needs to build the

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Ed Loach
I mentioned: http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/boundaries/ You might notice on the National Parks page I say that the National England boundaries weren't compatible. Since I designed the page they have switched to OGL. I might get around to updating the pages at some point, and also check all source

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

2012-05-29 Thread Colin Smale
Having just taken a look at ogr2osm I think that is probably the best way of achieving OSM-data with a view to a bulk import. However there are lots of disadvantages and gotcha's on that route as several people have pointed out. If we were to take that route there would not be any point in