Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Paul, I hope you are well. As you have seen my responses at [1] and [2], it will come as no surprise that I oppose this move. I have set out my reasoning below: == Reason 1: Open Historical Maps (OHM) is not an entirely separate project to OSM == I will start by providing a bit of

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-09 Thread Andy Townsend
On 09/11/13 11:58, Rob Nickerson wrote: As you have seen my responses at [1] and [2], it will come as no surprise that I oppose this move. I have set out my reasoning below: Hi Rob, hi Paul, I'll not venture into the how of this only the what... Let's think about it from the perspective

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Andy, We are mixing up two issues here. One is as to whether historic layers should be removed from the default menus (and determining what counts as historic of no value to current mapping) and the second issue of how iD presents the list. Please do not let an iD bug direct the future

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-09 Thread Andy Robinson
Are there any *non*-historical uses for NLS - Bartholomew Half Inch, 1897-1907; NLS - OS 1-inch 7th Series 1955-61; or OS New Popular Edition historic. Of course there are. Historical maps are a huge source of meta data for the landscape, much of which cannot be obtained in any other way. The

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-09 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/11/2013 13:14, Rob Nickerson wrote: We are mixing up two issues here. One is as to whether historic layers should be removed from the default menus What exactly do you mean by the default menus here? There are no default menus in OSM, only menus in different instances of different

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-08 Thread Paul Norman
From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 3:03 PM To: 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD It's worth pointing out that iD doesn't actually have an imagery list. It inherits its from the editor

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-02 Thread Paul Norman
From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 4:44 AM To: Paul Norman; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD Paul Norman wrote: It's worth pointing out that iD doesn't actually have an imagery list

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-02 Thread Lester Caine
Paul Norman wrote: Paul Norman wrote: It's worth pointing out that iD doesn't actually have an imagery list. It inherits its from the editor-imagery-index project at http://osmlab.github.io/editor-imagery-index/, which is for OpenStreetMap editing, not historical mapping or a general list

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-11-01 Thread SomeoneElse
Paul Norman wrote: It's worth pointing out that iD doesn't actually have an imagery list. It inherits its from the editor-imagery-index project at http://osmlab.github.io/editor-imagery-index/, which is for OpenStreetMap editing, not historical mapping or a general list of all possible

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Andrew Hain wrote: Is there a useful distinction between the two 1:25000 layers? In the area that I was looking at (just south of Kirk Ireton in Derbyshire) they appear to be different original maps, and it appears that coverage of each layer is slightly different. On the subject of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Rob Nickerson wrote: 2). iD is a general purpose editor. It can be used for OpenHistoricalMap too. Indeed - perhaps I should have been clearer that I'm talking about the instance in use on the OSM site used to edit the OSM map, not any other instance which presumably could feature any

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-30 Thread Michael Collinson
On 28/10/2013 19:28, SomeoneElse wrote: series, Mapbox Satellite or Mapquest Open Aerial, and if anyone's using NPE, Bartholomew 1/2 inch or OS 1 inch as backgrounds they probably shouldn't be using iD to do it (if for no other reason due to alignment issues). Am I maligning these sources and

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-30 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Andy, I get all of your points on this one, but just as we generally don't go and remove other peoples custom tags, I think it would be a shame if we remove available layers. Having historical background layers can attract people to other projects (Open Historical Map). I've even used historic

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-30 Thread Paul Norman
From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD Rob Nickerson wrote: 2). iD is a general purpose editor. It can be used for OpenHistoricalMap too. Indeed - perhaps I should have been clearer that I'm talking about

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-30 Thread Rob Nickerson
Dealing with it from a UI perspective is difficult, and I get the impression that's the main issue, not the coding once the UI is figured out. I'm not a UI designer, but I'll have a go at sketching a few ideas over the next 7 days. It would be a shame to drop background layers where they are

[Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-28 Thread SomeoneElse
I logged a bug with iD regarding the non-visibility of some items in the background layer menu: https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1929#issuecomment-27236976 The issue that I actually logged is actually being addressed as part of a different bug, but another question span out of it. Of

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-28 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Andy, I would like to see as many layers as possible in iD and other editors. The issue, in my opinion, is one of how best to present the available layers (more on that later). So why more layers: 1). More layers = more choice and more potential sources for confirming the presence or absence

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-28 Thread Andrew Hain
SomeoneElse lists@... writes: I logged a bug with iD regarding the non-visibility of some items in the background layer menu:https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1929#issuecomment-27236976 The issue that I actually logged is actually being addressed as part of a different

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

2013-10-28 Thread Rob Nickerson
Is there a useful distinction between the two 1:25000 layers? -- Andrew At face value, no. They both show map sheets from the Ordnance Survey 1:25k series (although the dates may differ slightly). However if we look at the hosting of these tiles we find that one of these is provided by the