Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-15 Thread David Woolley
On 15/01/2019 12:00, Martin Wynne wrote: Given that they are part of the public highway, it's puzzling why the Environment Agency feels the need to compulsorily acquire the rights to pass and repass over them? And what about the rest of us? Is it usual for small areas of tarmac in the public

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-15 Thread Paul Berry
Is the complication anything to do with the history of the Severn Valley Plotlands (not sure if this is its title)? From the names of the chalets on the compulsory purchase order map we're in (or close to) that territory I think.

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-14 Thread Andy Robinson
All seems rather fishy to me Martin ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Martin Wynne [mailto:mar...@templot.com] Sent: 14 January 2019 13:23 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents > I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to the centrel

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-14 Thread Martin Wynne
I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to the centreline of the road. I guess it might occasionally for an unadopted highway but typically the boundary between highway and private property is either at the back of the pavement or some distance beyond that (verge) depending on

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-14 Thread Andy Robinson
-Original Message- From: David Woolley [mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk] > Boundaries of properties fronted on roads technically extend to the >middle of the road, at least for residential roads, and I have never see >those marked. I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-14 Thread Jez Nicholson
I've added a "citation needed". AFAIK it may only become apparent when you try to sell your house. It is one of the checks that is made by a conveyancer. It depends how strongly they like to apply the rules. One of those things that could slow down a house purchase.but you are quite right

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-14 Thread David Woolley
On 14/01/2019 09:03, Jez Nicholson wrote: I have summarised this discussion at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom "A property owner is legally required to maintain property boundaries such as fences. This is intended to minimise disputes. So, being

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-14 Thread Jez Nicholson
I have summarised this discussion at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom Please feel free to add more facts and references. Regards, Jez On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 09:03 Jez Nicholson wrote: > I have summarised this discussion at >

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-14 Thread Jez Nicholson
I have summarised this discussion at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom Please feel free to add more facts and references. Regards, Jez On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 12:51 SK53 wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:39, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> >>

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-10 Thread SK53
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:39, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > snip > > because they're more likely to get shot on private land. Hope this is > not so much of a concern in the UK ;) > > Bye > Frederik > > Only if one is a raptor: https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/ Jerry

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10.01.19 01:18, Warin wrote: > Even if it were open .. does OSM want it? Parcel boundaries have generally been undesirable in OSM in the past, mostly because to a lack of on-the-ground verifiability. The advice has always been: If there's a fence, map the fence, not the boundary. If

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/01/2019 00:18, Warin wrote: Even if it were open .. does OSM want it? I don't see any specific tags for it? landuse=residential combined with addr:* It is something I would definitely want included if it were possible to capture the data. The main reason it is rare at the moment is

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-10 Thread SK53
I think in both France & Spain the cadastral information has been used largely for mapping buildings and not land-parcels. In places I know the French cadastral parcel data is difficult to interpret: overlapping parcels; individual buildings as multiple parcels; parcel boundaries not according to

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-10 Thread Dan S
Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 00:19 schreef Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > Even if it were open .. does OSM want it? Is it equivalent to the "cadastral" data that's been used in France and Spain? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cadastre Their experience could be informative, about what the data

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Gareth L
ap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents Here's one of Jerry's blog posts about the not-so-open Land Registry data: https://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2013/10/not-very-inspired-land-registry-open.html and my post about testing using them: https://chris-osm.blogspot.com/2013/10/lan

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Warin
:* Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents Here's one of Jerry's blog posts about the not-so-open Land Registry data: https://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2013/10/not-very-inspired-land-registry-open.html and my post about testing using them: https://chris-osm.blogspot.com/2013/10/land-registry-inspire

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Andy Robinson
Tom, Jerry, Chris thanks for the very helpful prompts. Cheers Andy From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 09 January 2019 12:37 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents Here's one of Jerry's blog posts about the not-so-open Land Registry data

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Chris Hill
Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com <mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com>] Sent: 09 January 2019 10:56 To: 'David Woolley'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Property extents On Wed 09/01/2019 10:35 David Woolley wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread SK53
format. > > Cheers > Andy > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] > Sent: 09 January 2019 10:56 > To: 'David Woolley'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Property extents > > On Wed 09/01/2019 10:35 David Woolley

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Tom Hughes
x polygons? https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/download-inspire-index-polygons Data is in GML format. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 January 2019 10:56 To: 'David Woolley'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Proper

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Andy Robinson
2019 10:56 To: 'David Woolley'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Property extents On Wed 09/01/2019 10:35 David Woolley wrote: >Actually, that seems more valuable to OSM than the building >outlines as it is much more difficult to accurately recover from >aerial imagery a

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Andy Robinson
On Wed 09/01/2019 10:35 David Woolley wrote: >Actually, that seems more valuable to OSM than the building >outlines as it is much more difficult to accurately recover from >aerial imagery and ground surveys can normally only see front yards. Agreed, though I wonder whether this will have any

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread David Woolley
On 09/01/2019 09:36, Rob Nickerson wrote: It is the land area (e.g. garden boundary of a detached house) rather than the building outline. They deem the building outline to have too high a commercial value under their current funding mechanism. Actually, that seems more valuable to OSM than

[Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi all, You may recall that the geospatial commission & ordnance survey have announced that they will be releasing "property extents". By chance I found myself in a meeting room with both organisations so I asked what "property extents" means. It is the land area (e.g. garden boundary of a