Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Hain wrote: > What distinction would you make between this and the cycle > route over steps that was discussed recently or the > signposted cycle route past cycle barriers in Barnes, > London? "Cycle routes" as a distinct concept don't have any legal force, other than authorised forms of

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-15 Thread Andrew Hain
-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways Neil Matthews wrote: > Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from > bridleways Um, no there hasn't? The changeset you've pointed to (which is one of mine) has a single stile moved to the side of a bridleway

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-15 Thread ael via Talk-GB
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:15:47PM +, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 20:57, ael via Talk-GB > wrote: > > > I would regard this as vandalism if it is removing surveyed real stiles > > to suit an ideal world where they are not permitted on bridleways. > > I favour the

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 20:57, ael via Talk-GB wrote: > I would regard this as vandalism if it is removing surveyed real stiles > to suit an ideal world where they are not permitted on bridleways. I favour the definitions used on the English Wikipedia, which make it clear that vandalism is

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Chris Hodges
I've also had an electric fence across a bridleway, and some very grumpy cows the other side of it. Luckily the farmer appeared and was very happy to let me through or it would have been retracing 3km of grassy riding on a touring bike. I'm rather prone to bike-hiking, even if not keen on it,

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Andy Townsend
On 14/12/2020 20:57, Richard Fairhurst wrote: A barrier=stile on a long-established UK bridleway is 99.9% a mapping error. Bridleways are open to horses and bikes, and so stiles are forbidden - PRoW officers are pretty hot on this. That may be the case in the comfy Cotswolds but I'm not sure

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 20:58 ael via Talk-GB, wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:30:01PM +, Neil Matthews wrote: > > Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from bridleways > -- > > pretty sure I've seen this done in other edits -- agree that they're a > > potential anomaly

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Neil Matthews wrote: > Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from > bridleways Um, no there hasn't? The changeset you've pointed to (which is one of mine) has a single stile moved to the side of a bridleway. I've done this a handful of times in the past, too, usually where

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread ael via Talk-GB
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:30:01PM +, Neil Matthews wrote: > Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from bridleways -- > pretty sure I've seen this done in other edits -- agree that they're a > potential anomaly but should they really be a mechanical edit (even if by > hand)?

Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Jon Pennycook
I have seen at least one bridleway with a stile (not a horse stile). Bridleways that were recently upgraded from public footpaths may still have old barriers. Just because there is a right of way, it doesn't mean that it's fully accessible (e.g a BOAT near Alton that has steps at one end). Jon

[Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Neil Matthews
Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from bridleways -- pretty sure I've seen this done in other edits -- agree that they're a potential anomaly but should they really be a mechanical edit (even if by hand)? See https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95739504 Cheers, Neil