Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-03 Thread Lester Caine
On 03/10/16 09:23, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > highway=footway or path should really mean "it's just a physical path", > we shouldn't really be assuming things about access. Then add explicit > access tags if we know it's permissive (or designation=public_footpath > if it's known to be a RoW). I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-03 Thread Nick Whitelegg
gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale On 02/10/16 13:06, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > Indeed - unless they have foot=yes, foot=permissive, access=permissive > (etc) or designation=public_footpath, we are in no way telling them th

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread Dudley Ibbett
avefoxfa...@btinternet.com > To: for...@david-woolley.me.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale > > > On 02/10/2016 14:21, David Woolley wrote: > > So I would say that highway=path was equivalent to highway=path;

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread Dave F
On 02/10/2016 14:21, David Woolley wrote: So I would say that highway=path was equivalent to highway=path; foot=yes; bicycle=yes; horse=yes; motor_vehicle=no (spellings may be wrong). highway=footway would imply yes to just foot. Renderers and routers will, I think follow this policy. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Woolley wrote: > So I would say that highway=path was equivalent to highway=path; > foot=yes; bicycle=yes; horse=yes; motor_vehicle=no (spellings may > be wrong). highway=footway would imply yes to just foot. Renderers > and routers will, I think follow this policy. I can't speak for

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread David Woolley
On 02/10/16 15:06, Andy Townsend wrote: No - in England and Wales an unspecified access tag surely means just "don't know" especially as if (as seems to be the case for one of the ways here) it's mapped from aerial imagery. So HGV's may be permitted on the typical footway, without an access

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread David Woolley
On 02/10/16 13:06, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Indeed - unless they have foot=yes, foot=permissive, access=permissive (etc) or designation=public_footpath, we are in no way telling them that they are public access. Whether or not there is a formal statement of this anywhere an unspecified access

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread Nick Whitelegg
on the map, it doesn't implicitly mean it's public. From: Richard Fairhurst <rich...@systemed.net> Sent: 02 October 2016 11:33:37 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale Frederik Ramm quoted Mr Angry: &

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm quoted Mr Angry: > "NONE of the paths indicated on the map that proceed north through > Upper Booth Farm are public footpaths" And indeed they're not tagged as such: they are tagged as the perennially useless highway=path, some of them with highway=permissive, while the Pennine Way

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-02 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Hi Although not the type of feedback we want, it is actually good to hear that people are using the map. I have walked through here and may have some pictures for reference so will see what I can do without a survey. It is a well used walking area so the owners are unlikely to dispute public

Re: [Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-01 Thread David Woolley
On 01/10/16 22:33, Frederik Ramm wrote: I know that property owners sometimes have different ideas about which paths are private than the law. I think OSM mappers tend to under-code private property. There are areas where every car park in a block of flats is implicitly coded as public.

[Talk-GB] Upper Booth camp site, Pennine Way near Edale

2016-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, OSMF board has received a complaint by the operator of the Upper Booth campsite, namely that they're seeing an increase of people trespassing due to OpenStreetMap featuring the campsite toilet as a public toilet. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/53.36523/-1.84623 I fixed that for