Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-23 Thread SteveC
On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:28 PM, 80n wrote: > Does CloudMade as a corporate body have an existing OSM account? I doubt it. > > How would a corporation indicate that their ODbL licensed derivative > databases can be imported back into OSM? An excellent question for the LWG. Can you now drop the da

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:57 AM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think you've missed my point.  Suppose I have some data that has been > given to me under an ODbL license by a company.  How can I determine whether > or not I am allowed to import that data into OSM?  What does that company > have

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-23 Thread 80n
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Grant Slater wrote: > On 23 July 2010 00:05, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Is this the real CloudMade? How can we tell? And that really is the > point. > > How can anyone tell whether they can add someone else's work to OSM > unless > > there's some way o

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 23 July 2010 00:05, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is this the real CloudMade? How can we tell?  And that really is the point. > How can anyone tell whether they can add someone else's work to OSM unless > there's some way of knowing that they've signed the contributor terms. > How's this all

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: > > > 80n wrote: > > > >> > Once acid test here would be to determine whether CloudMade have > >> already > >> signed the contributor terms. If they haven't then it is hard not to > >> draw > >> some conclusions about their intentions with our

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Kai Krueger
80n wrote: > >> > Once acid test here would be to determine whether CloudMade have >> already >> signed the contributor terms. If they haven't then it is hard not to >> draw >> some conclusions about their intentions with our data. > ... > Does CloudMade as a corporate body have an existing OSM

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:48 PM, SteveC wrote: > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:45 PM, 80n wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) < > robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Graham Jones wrote: > > > I am quite surprised there are many 'personal' contributors who woul

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread SteveC
On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:45 PM, 80n wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) > wrote: > Graham Jones wrote: > > I am quite surprised there are many 'personal' contributors who would want > > to refuse to have their data re-licensed - from my personal way of looking > > at

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread SteveC
On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:42 PM, 80n wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Grant Slater > wrote: > On 22 July 2010 18:23, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > There''s also signs that the project is starting to splinter. Experimental > > forks are beginning to appear... > > > > 80n, you were

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) < robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com > wrote: > Graham Jones wrote: > > I am quite surprised there are many 'personal' contributors who would > want > > to refuse to have their data re-licensed - from my personal way of > looking > > at it the p

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Grant Slater wrote: > On 22 July 2010 18:23, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > There''s also signs that the project is starting to splinter. > Experimental > > forks are beginning to appear... > > > > 80n, you were one of the people agitators pushing for a fork

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
Graham Jones wrote: > I am quite surprised there are many 'personal' contributors who would want > to refuse to have their data re-licensed - from my personal way of looking > at it the proposed new licence is so similar to the existing cc-by-sa that > it will make negligible difference. The ODbL

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 22 July 2010 20:45, Graham Jones wrote: > I am quite surprised there are many 'personal' contributors who would want > to refuse to have their data re-licensed - from my personal way of looking > at it the proposed new licence is so similar to the existing cc-by-sa that > it will make negligib

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Graham Jones
I am quite surprised there are many 'personal' contributors who would want to refuse to have their data re-licensed - from my personal way of looking at it the proposed new licence is so similar to the existing cc-by-sa that it will make negligible difference. I thought the sticking point was abou

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread TimSC
On 22/07/10 19:24, Grant Slater wrote: On 22 July 2010 18:23, 80n<80n...@gmail.com> wrote: There''s also signs that the project is starting to splinter. Experimental forks are beginning to appear... 80n, you were one of the people agitators pushing for a fork. / Grant. Then he

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 July 2010 18:23, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There''s also signs that the project is starting to splinter. Experimental > forks are beginning to appear... > 80n, you were one of the people agitators pushing for a fork. / Grant. ___ Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jason Cunningham wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to do this. > > Having read this a I've decided its about time I read up on licence issue! > I guess that the potential loss of a lot of data could be a reason for some > people voting against the changes > Th

Re: [Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread Jason Cunningham
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Having read this a I've decided its about time I read up on licence issue! I guess that the potential loss of a lot of data could be a reason for some people voting against the changes Jason On 22 July 2010 10:34, TimSC wrote: > Hi all, > > To try to get

[Talk-GB] an estimate of data loss under relicensing

2010-07-22 Thread TimSC
Hi all, To try to get a feeling for the potential consequences of relicensing, I have been doing analysis of edits in the UK and how contributors have voted on the doodle poll. I feel that we should look before we leap, regarding the possible impact of people who refuse to relicense. I wonder