Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW Ref tagging when ROW is also a road

2012-06-20 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com To: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW Ref tagging when ROW is also a road On 19 June 2012 14:07, Richard Fairhurst

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW Ref tagging when ROW is also a road

2012-06-20 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 20 June 2012 12:44, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: I like the idea of prow:ref. I think footpath:ref a bit too specific, we'd then need bridleway:ref, not to mention boat:ref (for byways open to all traffic) which could be just TOO confusing! [snip] In the UK at present there

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Merging this data I see that some ways that just lead to an NCN route (but are not actually part of the continuous route) are still marked with the ncn=yes;ncn_ref=xx tags for the route the lead to. What's the feeling on this? I'm a bit torn: - On the one hand they are not the route, as in the

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/06/2012 14:57, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote: Merging this data I see that some ways that just lead to an NCN route (but are not actually part of the continuous route) are still marked with the ncn=yes;ncn_ref=xx tags for the route the lead to. What's the feeling on this? I'm a bit torn:

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Richard Mann
The people who collected the data tell me that the cycle lane widths were recorded in 3 categories: 1) 1.5m 2) 1.5=x2 3) =2 So the values in the data (1.25 and 1.75 mostly) are spuriously accurate and quite often overstated. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
David Earl wrote I don't know about elsewhere in the country, but in Cambridgeshire the council has used the parenthesis convention on such signs That would be sensible. I think Newcastle Council must have run out of parenthesis :) David Earl wrote I think we could do well to do the

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Andy Allan
On 20 June 2012 15:11, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: The people who collected the data tell me that the cycle lane widths were recorded in 3 categories: 1) 1.5m 2) 1.5=x2 3) =2 So the values in the data (1.25 and 1.75 mostly) are spuriously accurate and quite often

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Andy Allan
On 20 June 2012 15:21, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: David Earl wrote I don't know about elsewhere in the country, but in Cambridgeshire the council has used the parenthesis convention on such signs I guess that ways signed as leading to an NCN could still use

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Andy Allan
On 18 June 2012 12:05, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: One last comment for now. When looking at a project page, such as: http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/cnxc-snapshot/projects/78/ tagged_ways It would be good to have a link to edit a relevant area, or failing that at least a

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Andy Allan
On 18 June 2012 10:11, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Are there any notes I'm missing about how to access and deal with nodes in the DfT data? e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/edloach/7392860104/in/photostream Nope, you're not missing anything - it simply appears to be broken. I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Andy Robinson
David Earl [mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com] wrote: Sent: 20 June 2012 15:05 To: Graham Stewart (GrahamS) Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging On 20/06/2012 14:57, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Thanks both Andys :) As an example of somewhere this hasn't happened look at the current mapping around St Peter's Basin in Newcastle. It shows and extra spur of the NCN72 along Bottlehouse Street, but actually the NCN72 runs along a parallel road to the north (Saint Lawrence Street).

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Robinson wrote: Basically any route to or deprecated braid should have a bracketed number, though in many locations this may not have happened yet. There's a slight tagging ambiguity when a link route connects two numbered routes, of course: often these will be signed as, say, '(5)' in

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Kev js1982
Sorry Richard for spamming you - one day I'll remember this replies to the person rather than the group by default - argh! On 20 June 2012 15:11, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: The people who collected the data tell me that the cycle lane widths were recorded in 3

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Tom Chance
On 18 June 2012 10:11, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Are there any notes I'm missing about how to access and deal with nodes in the DfT data? e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/edloach/7392860104/in/photostream Did this get an answer? I've tried, and failed, to click on the underlying DfT

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread Kev js1982
One thing I have noticed with the data is that in a number of places the DfT data claims there is an LCN on a major road which I know has no LCN signage (except the odd crossing) - e.g. London Road - or claims that both the main carriageway AND the adjacent cycleway (well footpath with some wobbly