Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Dan S
2014-12-18 10:39 GMT+00:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: On 18/12/2014 02:10, Matthijs Melissen wrote: If you oppose this proposal, or if you want to register particular areas or objects for an opt-out, please edit the wiki page under the section 'Oppositions and opt-out'. At the

[Talk-GB] Discussion of Mechanical Edits

2014-12-18 Thread SK53
I personally feel the current discussion is now thrashing. We are hearing repeats of the same things over again, and appear to now be bikeshedding import and mechanical edit policies. No-one seems to dispute that we do not have a consensus, Can we leave it at that we agree to disagree. It is

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Ian Caldwell
You are not checking that the entities are shops. In my area the Overpass Turbo finds the following node http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/502411262 a bus stop, from a NaPTAN import. Ian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
This is only an issue with the demo I generated, not with the proposal itself (in the proposal itself, I explicitly restrict changes to objects with a shop key). Thanks for pointing out this discrepancy. I generated an improved Overpass Turbo link: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Aj -- Matthijs On

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread SomeoneElse
On 18/12/2014 10:48, Dan S wrote: 2014-12-18 10:39 GMT+00:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: On 18/12/2014 02:10, Matthijs Melissen wrote: If you oppose this proposal, or if you want to register particular areas or objects for an opt-out, please edit the wiki page under the section

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Ed Loach
Perhaps just posting Overpass links and locals manually making the changes would be better? I compared the Overpass before and after links only to find that the nearest item on the first link is missing on the second as the Sainsbury(')s is missing a shop tag. And now it also misses the

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 18/12/2014 12:05, Ed Loach wrote: Perhaps just posting Overpass links and locals manually making the changes would be better? I think Ed has hit the nail on the head here. All your mechanical edit does is correct one tiny part of the mapping, and possibly to no great effect - it's just

Re: [Talk-GB] No more voting on mechanical edits

2014-12-18 Thread SomeoneElse
On 18/12/2014 10:24, Dan S wrote: Hi Matthijs, The DWG email used the word consensus inappropriately, since consensus means everyone agreeing, and we didn't. However, consensus is essentially impossible in big wiki communities like ours, so let's assume there's a relative meaning of the term ;)

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 18 December 2014 at 12:18, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: However, if local mappers could somehow be alerted to this small discrepancy, they would probably spot other things in the same area that needed updating at the same time. They might not go looking for them otherwise.

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Ed Loach
Finding small problems like this does have an advantage, but it looks like fixing them mechanically is actually missing the opportunity to improve the map in other ways at the same time. As it happens, the local Sainsbury's that I just updated also made me realise that there is now aerial

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Lester Caine
On 18/12/14 12:33, Matthijs Melissen wrote: However, if local mappers could somehow be alerted to this small discrepancy, they would probably spot other things in the same area that needed updating at the same time. They might not go looking for them otherwise. Finding small problems

Re: [Talk-GB] Discussion of Mechanical Edits

2014-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On 18 December 2014 at 11:30, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: I personally feel the current discussion is now thrashing. I personally feel that the opposition to Matthijs' work is becoming farcical. After setting up dozens of hoops for him to jump through, which he has done, and then because he

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On 18 December 2014 at 12:18, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: All your mechanical edit does is correct one tiny part of the mapping, and possibly to no great effect - it's just the text of the name that's getting corrected under a limited set of circumstances. So let's JFDI

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Brian Prangle
We're boiling the ocean here.Matthij's proposal as it now stands is not controversial and is merely a typo cleanup. I'm amazed at his patience. On 18 December 2014 at 13:59, Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org wrote: I really struggled to see how this mechanical edit can do any harm. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Discussion of Mechanical Edits

2014-12-18 Thread Andrew Hain
Andy Allan gravitystorm@... writes: This mailing list appears to be having some sort of immune-response over-reaction. We don't like mechanical edits in general. Fine. Therefore every mechanical edit must be fought against, to the bitter end. That's an over-reaction. No, that can't work

Re: [Talk-GB] No more voting on mechanical edits

2014-12-18 Thread Jo Walsh
On reflection, I don't really laugh with scorn in the face of the Mechanical Edit Policy. But it certainly looks like a mess to me. My take would be to attempt to extract the spirit of that policy and not bother kvetching over the letter of it. The phrase rough consensus and running code is