Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/08/17 12:23, Colin Smale wrote: > If you ask people where they live, they will probably talk about the > county level and the settlement/town/city, but the informal boundaries > of these settlements will likely not follow the administrative > boundaries. In fact, it may not be possible to

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
Of course. But accuracy (perhaps correctness is a better word here) is relative to some frame of reference. What is right under some circumstances can be wrong under other circumstances. If you are a postman, you have a different view of toponymy than a local government official, a visitor or a

Re: [Talk-GB] Select and correct a discovered key duplication of sorts in JOSM

2017-08-22 Thread David Groom
Alternatively in JOSM: File > Download from Overpass API Then put ref:Chiltern_Society = * in the text box next to "Build query", then click "Build Query". Next select download area, and then click "Download" David -- Original Message -- From: "Bob Hawkins"

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
Accurate *as possible* On 22/08/2017 13:59, Colin Smale wrote: That depends on your definition of "accurate", doesn't it? On 2017-08-22 14:15, Dave F wrote: But a query to the OSM database isn't interested in what 'locals' misinterpret, it's interested in what OSM returns. The ignorance

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
That depends on your definition of "accurate", doesn't it? On 2017-08-22 14:15, Dave F wrote: > But a query to the OSM database isn't interested in what 'locals' > misinterpret, it's interested in what OSM returns. > > The ignorance of the person on the street is just one reason why OSM needs

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
But a query to the OSM database isn't interested in what 'locals' misinterpret, it's interested in what OSM returns. The ignorance of the person on the street is just one reason why OSM needs to exist & be as accurate as possible. DaveF On 22/08/2017 12:50, Andy Townsend wrote: On

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
OSM is geospatially aware. I'm unsure why there's a reluctance to use it. is_in tags are far more "incomplete and imperfect" than boundaries. Boundaries are maintained far more than the antiquated is_in:*. *Every* entity will require a full set of is_in tags to be workable. If an entity is in

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-08-22 13:50, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 22/08/2017 12:23, Colin Smale wrote: > What would a "local" answer? > > Good luck getting a consistent answer to that :) > > http://ma3t.co.uk/euanmills/euanmills/tifd.html Wow, I rest my case... Although he seems to have asked people who were

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/08/2017 12:23, Colin Smale wrote:  What would a "local" answer? Good luck getting a consistent answer to that :) http://ma3t.co.uk/euanmills/euanmills/tifd.html Best Regards, Andy (and apologies in advance for anyone upset by small-font profanity in the link)

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
The main one I came across was is_in:continent=Europe. I asked why there wasn't one. The conclusion was no one could agree where the boundary actually was. Saying that, I'm unsure if specifying is_in:continent=Europe is that beneficial. Also many local authority political ward boundaries

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
Let's have some use cases out on the table... if my location is {lat,lon}, where am I? What answer am I expecting? Postal address? Town or other settlement? The local council? What would a "local" answer? In the UK, the hierarchy of admin boundaries is incomplete and imperfect - there are

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite

2017-08-22 Thread Andres Muniz Piniella
Hi, new to OSM edit. I live in an estate TW10 7NY. Currently 192 homes and it is at risk of redevelopment in to make 425 homes. There is also a community project to document historical features so I want to thank you for this guidance. It will be helpful to edit entries.  Regards,  Andres On Mon,

[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Research contributions needed www.3dosm.com

2017-08-22 Thread Alfie Kelly
Hello, I am an M.Sc. researcher with the University of Nottingham and am currently conducting a research study regarding the potential for 3D building data collection by OSM users and the crowd. I am particularly interested in people’s motivations for collecting 3D building information and

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 12/08/17 13:12, Dave F wrote: > I also think the 'is_in:country_code' along with all 'is-_in' tags are > redundant if there's a boundary tag.. In the past I thought that the is_in element was something of a problem, but it does have a place when one remembers that OSM is all about the data.