Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-19 Thread Jo Walsh
My take is that Matthijs' heroic stand is a gesture of sacrifice of a small portion of his sanity for the greater good of OSM However, i will totally admit to secretly preparing a kind of endographic study of the social work of the DWG which i'm going to knock some academics out of the sky

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Dan S
2014-12-18 10:39 GMT+00:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: On 18/12/2014 02:10, Matthijs Melissen wrote: If you oppose this proposal, or if you want to register particular areas or objects for an opt-out, please edit the wiki page under the section 'Oppositions and opt-out'. At the

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Ian Caldwell
You are not checking that the entities are shops. In my area the Overpass Turbo finds the following node http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/502411262 a bus stop, from a NaPTAN import. Ian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
This is only an issue with the demo I generated, not with the proposal itself (in the proposal itself, I explicitly restrict changes to objects with a shop key). Thanks for pointing out this discrepancy. I generated an improved Overpass Turbo link: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Aj -- Matthijs On

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread SomeoneElse
On 18/12/2014 10:48, Dan S wrote: 2014-12-18 10:39 GMT+00:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: On 18/12/2014 02:10, Matthijs Melissen wrote: If you oppose this proposal, or if you want to register particular areas or objects for an opt-out, please edit the wiki page under the section

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Ed Loach
Perhaps just posting Overpass links and locals manually making the changes would be better? I compared the Overpass before and after links only to find that the nearest item on the first link is missing on the second as the Sainsbury(')s is missing a shop tag. And now it also misses the

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 18/12/2014 12:05, Ed Loach wrote: Perhaps just posting Overpass links and locals manually making the changes would be better? I think Ed has hit the nail on the head here. All your mechanical edit does is correct one tiny part of the mapping, and possibly to no great effect - it's just

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 18 December 2014 at 12:18, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: However, if local mappers could somehow be alerted to this small discrepancy, they would probably spot other things in the same area that needed updating at the same time. They might not go looking for them otherwise.

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Ed Loach
Finding small problems like this does have an advantage, but it looks like fixing them mechanically is actually missing the opportunity to improve the map in other ways at the same time. As it happens, the local Sainsbury's that I just updated also made me realise that there is now aerial

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Lester Caine
On 18/12/14 12:33, Matthijs Melissen wrote: However, if local mappers could somehow be alerted to this small discrepancy, they would probably spot other things in the same area that needed updating at the same time. They might not go looking for them otherwise. Finding small problems

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On 18 December 2014 at 12:18, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: All your mechanical edit does is correct one tiny part of the mapping, and possibly to no great effect - it's just the text of the name that's getting corrected under a limited set of circumstances. So let's JFDI

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-18 Thread Brian Prangle
We're boiling the ocean here.Matthij's proposal as it now stands is not controversial and is merely a typo cleanup. I'm amazed at his patience. On 18 December 2014 at 13:59, Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org wrote: I really struggled to see how this mechanical edit can do any harm. I

[Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-12-17 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, I have created a new version of my proposal to unify the names of chain shops within the UK. The list is now significantly shorter, and only contains clear errors, rather than interpretation problems of shop signs. For details, please see