Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-05 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote: Sent: 04 April 2011 11:08 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? I've stopped tagging route_ref because according to the wiki the preferred way to map bus routes is as a relation. Does that reflect

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Grimshaw [mailto:stuart.grims...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 April 2011 2:19 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: a) Do not import any NaPTAN data in areas where imports

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: For those not aware, Christoph Böhme put together NOVAM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Novam Oh, that is awesome. But instead of deleting the n:verified tag, I have set it to yes everywhere and sadly Novam sees that as

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
(blackadder-lists) Cc: 'Stuart Grimshaw'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: For those not aware, Christoph Böhme put together NOVAM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Novam Oh

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: I thought Christoph had it working with the various formats of verified. Try changing the scheme (bottom right) and see if that changes anything I've tried already... and although it does change things, it doesn't do the

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
the naptan in front. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Derick Rethans [mailto:o...@derickrethans.nl] Sent: 04 April 2011 10:34 AM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: 'Derick Rethans'; 'Stuart Grimshaw'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The Birmingham scheme should show a naptan:verified=yes as green (assuming all other tags ok) as that's what I asked Christoph to add because I was doing the same as you, I.e. adding naptan:verified=yes rather than deleting the

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Tom Chance
On 4 April 2011 11:08, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: I've stopped tagging route_ref because according to the wiki the preferred way to map bus routes is as a relation. Does that reflect the accepted practice in this country? As have I, so I have to keep switching between schemes in

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Ed Avis wrote: I've stopped tagging route_ref because according to the wiki the preferred way to map bus routes is as a relation. Does that reflect the accepted practice in this country? Same here. What uses the bus route data anyway? I do :-) And Harry:

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Ed Avis
Derick Rethans osm@... writes: What uses the bus route data anyway? I do And Harry: http://www.harrywood.co.uk /blog/2011/03/28/bus-route-rendering-at-rewiredstate/ My question was really a way to ask 'what format should bus routes be tagged in so that software can use them?'. I _think_ that

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread SomeoneElse
On 04/04/2011 11:08, Ed Avis wrote: I've stopped tagging route_ref because according to the wiki the preferred way to map bus routes is as a relation. Does that reflect the accepted practice in this country? What uses the bus route data anyway? Potentially anyone with a Garmin following the

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Tom Chance
On 4 April 2011 11:26, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: The trouble is, route_ref is directly marked on the ground. The path followed by a bus in the correct order, although it is more useful information, is also harder to discover. In the time it took to ride on a bus from Croydon to

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Ed Avis
What we seem to be edging towards is a mixed tagging of route_ref and relations, being respectively the 'rough' and 'proper' way to tag bus routes, and the need for some lint-like tool to reconcile the two - at least as far as migrating data from route_ref to the ideal tagging. If you just wish

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Tom Chance
On 4 April 2011 19:36, Stuart Grimshaw stuart.grims...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with tagging routes on a map is that they change s often. We saw during Sheffield's Transport Hack Day this weekend when the guys from our local travel authority showed us how bus routes don't just change from

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Stuart Grimshaw wrote: Some routes stop after a certain time of day, or they follow a different route at weekends. They follow a different route for 1 journey before or after school and they go to different stops because of roadworks. To keep this information accurate you really would

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM
On 04/04/2011 19:36, Stuart Grimshaw wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: What we seem to be edging towards is a mixed tagging of route_ref and relations, being respectively the 'rough' and 'proper' way to tag bus routes, and the need for some lint-like tool

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-03 Thread Tom Chance
On 3 April 2011 10:28, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I've found this in swathes of south London - pairs of naptan and non-naptan bus stops along major roads, suggesting that it's been years of things not being fixed up before I noticed. I was quite surprised to see that given that

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-03 Thread Steve Chilton
community monitors in place? Cheers STEVE From: Tom Chance [t...@acrewoods.net] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:28 AM To: Andy Allan Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? On 3 April 2011 10:28, Andy Allan gravityst

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-03 Thread Chris Hill
On 03/04/11 14:19, Stuart Grimshaw wrote: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: a) Do not import any NaPTAN data in areas where imports have already taken place. Experience shows that detailed survey correction of NaPTAN data is not to be

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-02 Thread Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM
On 02/04/2011 15:14, Stuart Grimshaw wrote: This weekend sees Sheffield's first Transport Hackday, hosted at theGistLab[3], we've got a bunch of guys sitting here with various apps we've written or would like to write and one of the projects we identified as a potential target for today would be