of a API defect (because there is just one bounding
box per changeset instead of a list)?
Simon
Am 12.06.2020 um 13:00 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if it would be feasible or desirable for editors to warn users
> if they are at risk of creating country/world-spannin
er in the past which is what this
initiative is trying to address.
>
> From my point of view - I am happy with the current project
> governance. It works well for iD, it works well for the OSM community.
> Controversies are all around minor issues and contributions -
> basi
Am 09.06.2020 um 14:18 schrieb Mikel Maron:
> ---
>
> As it should be.
Mapbox developers decide on (not just have input on) budgets, product
specs etc etc etc etc etc etc for the company?
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Merci Marc
Mais bizarrement j’ai l’impression que cela fait plus d’une semaine que je l’ai
vu. Wait and see
Gaël
Le 7 juin 2020 à 12:15, Marc M. a écrit :
Bonjour,
> Le 07.06.20 à 11:55, Gaël Simon a écrit :
> une entité du nom de « Etang sur arroux » (sans majuscule à arroux) ap
Bonjour, j’ai remarqué qu’une entité du nom de « Etang sur arroux » (sans
majuscule à arroux) apparaît sur le rendu osm standard à partir du niveau 6 !!
Mais impossible de mettre la main dessus pour contrôler les tags, ni avec JOSM,
ni autre outil.
Une idée ? Bonne journée
Gaël
Gaël
e mainly
operational, not technical (aka somebody needs to volunteer to a)
integrate it in to the web site, b) integrate it in to our chef
deployment, c) provide operational support).
Simon
Am 29.05.2020 um 04:19 schrieb José Juan Montes:
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first message to the list
ès aux vélo sur cette partie entre les deux pistes
cyclables.
J'aimerais avoir l'avis de la communauté pour trancher la question.
La voie en question
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/808726332
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/808726333
Cordialement
Simon REAU
Simon REAU
GEOVELO
www.geov
. There is no reason to believe that we couldn't migrate to that
and get some support from the developer (for money obviously). It would
make a lot more sense than any other alternative outside of shutting the
whole thing down (which would be the OSM way).
Simon
Am 20.05.2020 um 23:17 schrieb Allan Mustard
oncept has morphed away from what was
originally presented (aka to contain stuff that should be in the
regular budgets of the OSMF and LCs).
Simon
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Am 18.05.2020 um 10:10 schrieb "Birger Schütte" via legal-talk:
> Hello!
>
> I've been studying the OSM license terms, guidelines, community pages,
> FAQs etc. for a few days now, but I'm still unsure about some of the
> statements. So I hope for yo
, in fact the draft
guideline contained the opposite. Now I do realize the value of
exaggeration as a rhetoric device, but, as obvious from this thread, it
does confuse people as to what the actual facts are.
Simon
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As you know the LWG has handed the subject back to the board months ago,
not to mention that we provided ample time and venues to provide input
on the matter and that is long closed. Just because somebody wasn't
paying attention doesn't mean that you restart a process when they turn
up and
Am 2. Mai 2020 15:44:33 MESZ schrieb Christoph Hormann :
>
>> The only time in the past this
>was done was with the change to the ODbL in 2012 IIRC.
That is not correct, the licence change process has never been invoked.
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sh consultation last year, with multiple in person
sessions, which covered all the issues you touch on.
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just going to lead to strife.
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is, if anything, more confusing and misleading than
simply asking for an attribution string that credits the project?
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Sarah has already given the answer, but a small remark anyway: I would
suggest following the operations twitter account
https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech as that is the place you are most likely to
see short term notices about these kind of things.
Simon
Am 16.04.2020 um 08:10 schrieb Andrzej Kępys
st outside of the UK too, however I do not know any case of them
finding wide spread use in lieu of addresses any where.
Simon
Am 09.04.2020 um 16:08 schrieb Gareth L:
> Can’t the key location be inferred by the fact it is within a country bounds
> rather than redundantly added?
>
> Gar
Bonjour,
Pour participer à ce formidable effort collectif.
La décision a été prise chez Geovelo d'affecter une personne toute la
journée de demain à l'intégration des notes #caresteouvert.
Cordialement
Simon
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Tél : 06 77 15 59 86
1
it could be justified.
Simon
Am 21.03.2020 um 17:44 schrieb Mikel Maron:
> Yikes. Good catch and agreed.
>
> Can anyone track the extent of the damage, and prepare to restore the thrown
> away tags, while keeping the good new data?
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @
st years. It would have
been quite possible to run it past the responsible organs of the
organisation they were writing about, as it would have been customary in
earlier days.
Simon
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 20,
ly creates notes, so less than optimal for new
establishments.
https://osmybiz.osm.ch/ will create new objects and let people manage
them in a reasonable fashion. What needs to be done is to add the
necessary keys to the presets used by the app (in this case they are in
iD format).
Simon
>
Peter I don't believe there is/are any active moderators at this point.
The UK community should nominate one or more, and ask the OWG to instate
them as list moderators. In any case pleading to them here will not work
(and likely wouldn't work even if there were some).
Simon
Am 13.03.2020 um 23
Am 12.03.2020 um 16:06 schrieb THEVENON Julien:
> Le jeudi 12 mars 2020 à 15:43:17 UTC+1, Simon Poole a écrit
> :
>
>> To use a completely different example: assume that you purchase a TV set
>> paid by monthly instalments and you default on them. In civilised countries
Am 12.03.2020 um 15:56 schrieb Pierre Béland:
> Mar. 12 2020 10 h 43 min UTC−4, Simon Poole wrote :
>
> > To use a completely different example: assume that you purchase
> a TV set paid by monthly instalments and you default on them. In
> civilised countries that doesn
to utilize the whatever tools are provided by
the legal system, totally regardless off how upset they are and how
righteous they might feel about their actions.
Simon
Am 12.03.2020 um 15:09 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> Am Do., 12. März 2020 um 11:50 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole <mailto:si...@po
Am 12.03.2020 um 10:58 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> Am Mi., 11. März 2020 um 17:21 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole <mailto:si...@poole.ch>>:
>
> I would be very very wary of doing anything that deliberately
> defaces a web site without consulting with a local (to the count
istake", except if you have deep pockets.
I'm very aware that getting peoples attention is sometimes difficult,
from experience things that work: sending a fax, registered mail, phone
calls,worst case publicly messaging on social media.
Simon
Am 11.03.2020 um 16:17 schrieb joost
are off (and in some cases that I actually co-wrote), the
subject matter in this thread is not -just- about the OSMF operated
servers, but of those of OSM-FR and others.
Simon
> See https://operations.osmfoundation.org/policies/tiles/
>
> "Clearly display license attribution." is in expli
As I wrote (conveniently ignored in the noise of the vigilante rampage):
"The safe, I admit also the less fun, option, is to simply block access
after giving any required notice."
Simon
Am 11.03.2020 um 14:49 schrieb joost schouppe:
> Simon,
>
> I guess with small overlap
, is to simply block access after giving
any required notice.
Simon
Am 08.03.2020 um 11:04 schrieb Yves:
> This looks at first as a nuisance that could be perceived as a bad
> move, but the feedback you're receiving rather prove the contrary.
> Well done!
> Ps: would you share your nginx partial
object.
Simon
Am 22.02.2020 um 05:37 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk:
> Is there some automatically generated website
> describing in excruciating detail how to map various features?
>
> Something directed to a potential mappers,
> explicitly describing every single smallest ste
Am 19.02.2020 um 14:24 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> In this case the statement that "small maps or multiple data sources"
> are the only cases where the document does not require visible
> attribution is wrong. For example it is later stated that visible
> attribution is not required if
Am 20.02.2020 um 11:34 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> What you don't seem to understand is that there is nothing in the ODbL
> that allows the conclusion that for OSM data use on certain devices
> there is a *lesser* requirement for making the user aware of the use of
> OSM data than on others
Am 20.02.2020 um 11:19 schrieb Christian Quest:
>
> - the 10.000m2 limit, this is completely artificial
>
>
Artificial "yes", but the main thing is that it is small enough to
ensure that it will essentially never be a substantial extract, on the
other hand large enough that you can cover the
othing new and has nothing to do with the proposed guideline
outside of reducing the options.
Simon
Am 20.02.2020 um 00:44 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk:
>
>
>
> 19 Feb 2020, 21:05 by si...@poole.ch:
>
>
> Am 19.02.2020 um 20:17 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via
quot;© OSM"
> with link in such space.
Just that people don't get the wrong idea, using attributing to OSM is
completely out of the question, since when does Online Soccer Manager
distribute geo-data?
Simon
PS: the 1st part was actually serious.
>
> Suggesting that real attribution is
I believe there is actually a small issue with the definition here, as
there are two conflicting DIP definitions in use (one pixel on mobile
devices ~160 DPI vs one pixel for CSS 96 DPI), we need to state what we
are using.
Simon
Am 19.02.2020 um 17:22 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
> sen
Am 19.02.2020 um 15:59 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> ..
> Imho we should not differentiate between mobile and desktop devices:
> either there is sufficient space and attribution should be permanent,
> or there isn’t and it is ok you have to click somewhere to see it. The
> constraints/conditions
court cases,
but all with staying true to the 6 million plus agreements the OSMF has
with OSM contributors, or put differently: behaving ethically ourselves.
Simon
Am 19.02.2020 um 15:51 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:
> If the map says "Copyright BoxMap, imagery copyright IRSE&qu
ming "essential" doesn't mean "can't be replaced by a different
product", obviously in both cases nothing remains.
SImon
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in practical terms is immutable).
There is currently a lot of discussion on this topic in the OSS
communities, but just to illustrate the kind of slippery slope you are
venturing on to, I would suggest reading
https://sfconservancy.org/blog/?author=bkuhn "Toward Copyleft Equality
for A
. Derivative Databases.
Is the blog post a derivative of OSM?
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for formal approval at the next LWG meeting on the 12th
of March. If you have any comments please feel free to add them to the
wikis talk page.
The updated document can be found here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Attribution_Guideline
Simon
PS: please disregard the numbering
und boat = no und motor_boat = no und und und und und und
Am 17.02.2020 um 23:11 schrieb Bernhard Weiskopf via Talk-de:
> Die Defaults betrachte ich als Vermutung, nicht als gesichert. (default
> = in Ermangelung von ...)
>
> Aus meiner Sicht ist eine nicht angegebene Eigenschaft unbekannt.
>
>
uired it from a former community project. Standard
example openweathermap, but there are numerous other well known examples.
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eally nice if the community was
equally upset about misusing the OpenStreetMap brand and marks by so
many other organisations with the goal of profiting from OSMs popularity.
Simon
Am 17.02.2020 um 14:25 schrieb Rory McCann:
> In order to keep the peace, I'll voluntarily delete that image f
Just a general remark: we have active fire fighters contributing and using OSM
in many places around the globe maybe it's time for a global exchange of ideas
and a common forum for that?
Simon
PS: unluckily HOT and FOSM are already taken so a acronym will need some work
:-)
Am 4. Februar
(contrary to the planet dump).
Simon
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I would suggest that you give a heads up on talk-gb in any case so that
other UK contributors know what's going on.
Simon
Am 18.01.2020 um 01:56 schrieb Cj Malone:
> Thanks Kathleen,
>
> I'll add attribution to the wiki tomorrow.
>
> My current intention isn't to automatically imp
situation. If necessary they will
intervene and try to resolve the issues.
Simon
Am 29.12.2019 um 18:27 schrieb 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk:
> it say in some wiki. to correct what you find wrong on the map,
>
> not one“other nearby users” is a current mapper, and all edits in a 5
> mile
It's not quite the same thing as uncertainty in the datum itself.
Crust movements simply lead to things being somewhere else relative to a
global datum (aka they have moved), so a new measurement of the position
for the same object would return the correct current position and
theoretically if
currently don't actually have a way to correct this . And yes while
continental shift is for most countries smaller than all the other ones
when adding geometry, for Australia this not necessarily true.
Simon
Am 19.12.2019 um 15:33 schrieb Greg Troxel:
> (This is a long and complicated subject and I
ase component of a
Collective Database used to generate a produced work needs to be
licensed on ODbL terms.
It would seem that this is actually a school book example of when SA
does -not- apply.
Simon
PS: from the description it is not even clear if the output was publicly
used to st
.
The official guidance on geo-coding from the OSMF can be found here
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Geocoding_-_Guideline
Simon
Am 16.12.2019 um 03:18 schrieb matthias.straetl...@buerotiger.de:
>> Von: "Christoph Hormann"
>>
>>
how many angels can stand on a pin and
are not answerable outside of the detailed specifics of the actual use
case (which are typically not available).
Simon
Am 12.12.2019 um 20:05 schrieb Nuno Caldeira:
> https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/index.html
> the license is quite clear a
Am 08.11.2019 um 13:19 schrieb marc marc:
> Hello,
>
> Simon Poole :
>> The issue with addresses is definitely not due to a lack of tools
>> for OSM contributors. For example
>> https://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/anzeige_dynamisch.html?land=Schweiz=8.71423=47.05
anced Preferences" in current versions in the layer
configuration in the layer dialog.
Sorry for the trouble
Simon
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Pro tip (out of experience*): check that the MSF rep actually knows
about OSM and what missing maps is.
Simon
* aka having to listen somebody going on about google maps at such an event.
Am 08.11.2019 um 04:41 schrieb Michael Collinson:
>
> Hi Vitva,
>
> If you don't get any othe
Just as a further data point for the discussion: we are currently adding
roughly 10'000'000 addresses per year relatively constant since 2013,
with some exceptions due to imports (mainly NL in 2014 I believe).
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") we are missing
essential metadata that should come first, aka road names and
references, POIs, places and so on, essentially all the stuff that
building doodling and ML doesn't provide, but is essential to actually
having a usable map.
Simon
Am 07.11.2019 um 13:18 schrieb marc marc:
> Hello,
&g
The clause is mainly a consequence of the relevant GDPR rules and at the
time (not sure why we are having this discussion after the fact) we
spent a lot of time investigating what potential routes there could be
to working around this, but nobody came up with a workable solution.
Simon
Am
Am 04.11.2019 um 12:57 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 12:20 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole <mailto:si...@poole.ch>>:
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#II._Privacy requires
> you to keep your contact information (which is
Am 04.11.2019 um 10:03 schrieb Maarten Deen:
> On 2019-11-04 09:28, Simon Poole wrote:
>> Am 03.11.2019 um 23:08 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>>> ...
>>> it depends from whom you hide, but generally you should not use a
>>> traceable email account if you want t
Am 03.11.2019 um 23:08 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> ...
> it depends from whom you hide, but generally you should not use a traceable
> email account if you want to remain anonymous. Using Google would seem like a
> total no-go (they are even reserving the right to read your emails). Use a
>
a very bad idea in any case, the
responsibility for positive messaging is clearly part of the remit of
the OSMF.
Simon
Am 31.10.2019 um 10:41 schrieb Nuno Caldeira:
> do a search for Strava on social media images, on twitter as examples:
>
> https://twitter.com/MissJKirby/status/11891
.
That said, -don't use OSM behind the back of the employer-, get upfront
permission to use OSM.
Simon
Am 19.10.2019 um 10:12 schrieb Edward Bainton:
> Ah and perhaps we should distinguish between the employee whose
> manager says, "Put this into OSM" and the employee who thinks, "
is relevant.
Simon
Am 18. Oktober 2019 19:41:59 MESZ schrieb Edward Bainton
:
>Hi all
>
>Quick question arising from a 'lobbying' conversation:
>
>*If an employee edits the map in the course of their employment, has
>the
>work been adequately licensed to OSM/the big wide Open
ich is not even an especially well-defined
> concept in this case).
>
Given the inaccuracy of the trig point locations, I can't even do that :(
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Am 09.10.2019 um 14:56 schrieb Markus:
> Liebe Entwickler,
>
> welche OL-Version verwenden osm.org bzw. osm.de ?
osm.org verwendet seit einem halben Jahrzehnt +, leaflet und nicht OL.
> Wo liegt der aktuelle Code von osm.org bzw. osm.de ?
>
> In welchen Abständen wird da OL upgegradet?
>
>
off the shelf.
According to the ads this will give you an accuracy of 2 cm, but how will
you check that you really are getting that accuracy?
That question was the driver for my original posting.
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per month.
If I did have such a device I could to my local trig points, get accurate
positions and publish them. I could use those data to test and calibrate
my "budget" solution.
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. I think you are referring to their list of GPS stations.
Regards
Simon
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:49 AM Russ Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 11:40, Andy Robinson wrote:
> > Are you using trig points that are also OS Net station locations?
> https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk
This is simply a licence for the individual constituent parts of a
database when that database is licensed on ODbL terms, in particular as
in the case of OSM these are geographic facts. It is not a licence that
has any bearing outside of such use.
To understand it, it is probably simpler to
I've been working with some GPS equipment that claims to be accurate to
2cm. To test it, I've been visiting local OS trig points, taking position
measurements and checking if they are correct.
Unfortunately I've discovered that the data I'm getting from the OS is not
nearly as accurate as my
Am 07.10.2019 um 01:23 schrieb Lars-Daniel Weber:
> I thought, whenever you re-digitize OSM data from a printed map, it would get
> ODbL again. According to current ruling by European Court of Justice, a
> printed map is just a database (it has been judged for a German topographical
> map in
ty IP that can't be used on OGL terms is not just a
theoretical point, but one that has happened in real life (for example
it is partially responsible for the failure of openaddresses.uk).
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Am 03.10.2019 um 10:26 schrieb Mark Goodge:
>
> ONSPD solves this problem, because it includes the "large user" flag.
>
>
It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed
datasets that when something turns up that was previously thought to be
part of a proprietary dataset all
Are you really doing this (applies to your 2nd question too) or are you
dealing in hypotheticals? As this would seem to be a rather roundabout
way to get shapefiles from OSM data it just seems to be rather unlikely.
In any case you are creating a derivative of a CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed
work which
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It should really be clear from the blog post, but just to clarify: the
interpretation of the CC BY licences that we based our guidance on is
CCs reading of the licence and the result of discussion with CC, not
something that the LWG invented.
Simon
Am 16.09.2019 um 10:27 schrieb Andrew Harvey
Merci Christian. Quelle formidable variété !
Gaël
Le 15 sept. 2019 à 12:28, Christian Quest a écrit :
Ajout du département de Seine-Saint-Denis (93), avec une ortho 2018 à 5cm :)
Son petit nom: fr_d93_2018
Pour JOSM, utilisez:
Thanks.
BTW I'm not saying that it is always clear when a "good idea" is
actually controversial or that you and Quincy are not subject to
multiple forces pulling or pushing in opposite directions, but the only
solution can be to escalate such issues to a wider audience before
implementation, when
Am 10.09.2019 um 16:08 schrieb Bryan Housel:
> Simon you’re completely wrong about this, but I doubt there is anything that
> I can say that would change your mind. The "US-corporate bubble" does not
> care about the tags used by the iD presets as much as you think they do.
the purse strings).
If you don't address that I'm not quite sure what the point of the whole
discussion is.
Simon
Am 10.09.2019 um 06:50 schrieb Roland Olbricht:
> Hi all,
>
> I have got into the duty to talk about tagging governance on the SotM
> and I would like to develop that opportu
Am 09.09.2019 um 14:16 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> On Monday 09 September 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
>>> And what happens if one of the data sources has a hard visible
>>> attribution requirement without the OSMF 'attribution light'
>>> liberty? As you drafted th
with the ODbL),
and last, but not least, that the attribution guideline when it is
finalised is clearer than the current guidance and helps us massively
reduce unattributed use of OSM data.
Simon
Am 09.09.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> On Monday 09 September 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
&g
as anybody suggested that we give up our
no-deduplication rules, even though it would obviously be very
convenient and lead to more widespread use of OSM data? No.
Simon
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It doesn't change the license at all, in general the guidance is more
-strict- than current practice, with the exception of the multiple
source case where there currently isn't any guidance at all.
Simon
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note that this is a hypothetical, Facebook doesn't display a logo on the
small inset maps nor on the larger popup maps on their website.
Simon
>
> - Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On 9/9/19, Simon Poole wrote:
>> To illustrate where this discussion has gone awry please consi
visibility of the
attribution.
As laid out in the intro to the document, the attribution that is
provided should not be confusing and should enable the person
interacting with the produced work to determine what data is obtained
from "the database", aka OSM in our case. Blanket attribution to OSM
To illustrate where this discussion has gone awry please consider a
rendering using 10 data sources all licensed on ODbL terms (in real life
it is not uncommon to have multiple dozens of different sources, so 10
is not a high number). The ODbL does not, nor does any other open
licence, intend for
multiple sources have been used in a map rendering and
OSM is not the source of the majority of the data presented.
Simon
Am 08.09.2019 um 23:48 schrieb stevea:
> I don't want to sound overly simplistic, but as a copyright holder, I believe
> if ANY amount of my (or "our" in the se
any Person that uses,
> views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced
> Work aware that Content was obtained from" - like the license says. No
> exceptions.
Nobody is making any exceptions.
Simon
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Am 08.09.2019 um 20:37 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> On Sunday 08 September 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
>> I think you are confusing potentially extractable information with
>> actual data. For example satellite imagery may have a potentially
>> high information content that coul
Am 08.09.2019 um 19:39 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> On Sunday 08 September 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
>> /If OpenStreetMap is not the largest data provider for the visible
>> map rendering, attribution with other sources on a separate page that
>> is visible after user inte
text which however applies to the suggested
50% rule too.
Simon
Am 08.09.2019 um 16:38 schrieb Simon Poole:
>
> I don't quite follow your argument here. According to the draft
> guideline if a majority of the data displayed is derived from OSM,
> then attribution needs to be display
).
Simon
Am 08.09.2019 um 12:11 schrieb Nuno Caldeira:
>
> Here's another example of why we should not adopt the multiple sources
> attribution omission of our attribution. They list us as partners (?)
> https://www.wrld3d.com/3d-maps/custom-maps
> Use multiple sources and are not comp
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