Re: [talk-ph] Various farmed landuses

[maning sambale]

Thanks for this work David!

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 4:38 PM, David Groom  wrote:
> Hopefully fixing the geometries in this area is now complete
>
> David
>
>
> On 19/03/2016 17:53, David Groom wrote:
>>
>> Its now been one month with no major objections to my proopesed cnages, so
>> I have made them, but with the suggestion made by Eugene.
>>
>> However the exisiting geometry of the landuse polygons is very messy, with
>> many overlapping ways.  I am fixing these, but with over 230 ways to fix I
>> wont able to do this all in one editing session, and probably not even all
>> in one day.
>>
>> The affected area is SW of Tacloban, Leyte at
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/11.1154/124.8905
>>
>> If anyone notices the half fixed geometry do not think this is vanadalsim,
>> or poor editing, it will be fixed.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 14/02/2016 13:53, maning sambale wrote:
>>>
>>> Agree with Eugene. There are other who mapped riceland as meadows and
>>> should be fixed as well: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/489780
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
>>> wrote:

 I agree with changes 2 and 3. For #1, I think it should be
 landuse=farmland instead of meadow. Rice fields are far from being
 meadows.

 On 2/14/16, David Groom  wrote:
>
> While looking at existing tagging of landuse areas in Leyte I have come
> across a number which do not seem to fit the tagging structure on the
> main OSM wiki, and I cant see anything in the Philippines/Mapping
> conventions  which contradicts the main OSM wiki (except that under
> agricultural landuse the tag landuse = farm is suggested whereas this
> seems to have been deprecated in favour of landuse = farmland  -  maybe
> the Phillipine / mapping conventions page is out of date?)
>
> An example of some of the current tagging can be seen here:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.1121/124.8899
>
> I would like to change the following:
>
> 1) Areas currently tagged landuse = meadow; name = Ricefield   - change
> to landuse = meadow; crop=rice [1]
> 2) Areas currently tagged landuse = farmland; name = Coco Land   -
> change to landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
> 3) Areas currently tagged landuse = orchard; crop = coconut - change to
> landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
>
> Are these 3 changes acceptable?
>
> My one slight discomfort is that I dont like the way crop = rice is
> rendered on the map, but then we should't be tagging for the rennderers
> anyway!
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> [1]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop
> [2]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trees
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Re: [talk-ph] Various farmed landuses

[David Groom]

Hopefully fixing the geometries in this area is now complete

David

On 19/03/2016 17:53, David Groom wrote:
Its now been one month with no major objections to my proopesed 
cnages, so I have made them, but with the suggestion made by Eugene.


However the exisiting geometry of the landuse polygons is very messy, 
with many overlapping ways.  I am fixing these, but with over 230 ways 
to fix I wont able to do this all in one editing session, and probably 
not even all in one day.


The affected area is SW of Tacloban, Leyte at 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/11.1154/124.8905


If anyone notices the half fixed geometry do not think this is 
vanadalsim, or poor editing, it will be fixed.


Regards

David


On 14/02/2016 13:53, maning sambale wrote:

Agree with Eugene. There are other who mapped riceland as meadows and
should be fixed as well: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/489780

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
 wrote:

I agree with changes 2 and 3. For #1, I think it should be
landuse=farmland instead of meadow. Rice fields are far from being
meadows.

On 2/14/16, David Groom  wrote:
While looking at existing tagging of landuse areas in Leyte I have 
come

across a number which do not seem to fit the tagging structure on the
main OSM wiki, and I cant see anything in the Philippines/Mapping
conventions  which contradicts the main OSM wiki (except that under
agricultural landuse the tag landuse = farm is suggested whereas this
seems to have been deprecated in favour of landuse = farmland  -  
maybe

the Phillipine / mapping conventions page is out of date?)

An example of some of the current tagging can be seen here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.1121/124.8899

I would like to change the following:

1) Areas currently tagged landuse = meadow; name = Ricefield   - 
change

to landuse = meadow; crop=rice [1]
2) Areas currently tagged landuse = farmland; name = Coco Land   -
change to landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
3) Areas currently tagged landuse = orchard; crop = coconut - 
change to

landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]

Are these 3 changes acceptable?

My one slight discomfort is that I dont like the way crop = rice is
rendered on the map, but then we should't be tagging for the 
rennderers

anyway!

Regards

David

[1]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop
[2]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trees

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Re: [talk-ph] Various farmed landuses

[David Groom]

Its now been one month with no major objections to my proopesed cnages, 
so I have made them, but with the suggestion made by Eugene.


However the exisiting geometry of the landuse polygons is very messy, 
with many overlapping ways.  I am fixing these, but with over 230 ways 
to fix I wont able to do this all in one editing session, and probably 
not even all in one day.


The affected area is SW of Tacloban, Leyte at 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/11.1154/124.8905


If anyone notices the half fixed geometry do not think this is 
vanadalsim, or poor editing, it will be fixed.


Regards

David


On 14/02/2016 13:53, maning sambale wrote:

Agree with Eugene. There are other who mapped riceland as meadows and
should be fixed as well: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/489780

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

I agree with changes 2 and 3. For #1, I think it should be
landuse=farmland instead of meadow. Rice fields are far from being
meadows.

On 2/14/16, David Groom  wrote:

While looking at existing tagging of landuse areas in Leyte I have come
across a number which do not seem to fit the tagging structure on the
main OSM wiki, and I cant see anything in the Philippines/Mapping
conventions  which contradicts the main OSM wiki (except that under
agricultural landuse the tag landuse = farm is suggested whereas this
seems to have been deprecated in favour of landuse = farmland  -  maybe
the Phillipine / mapping conventions page is out of date?)

An example of some of the current tagging can be seen here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.1121/124.8899

I would like to change the following:

1) Areas currently tagged landuse = meadow; name = Ricefield   - change
to landuse = meadow; crop=rice [1]
2) Areas currently tagged landuse = farmland; name = Coco Land   -
change to landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
3) Areas currently tagged landuse = orchard; crop = coconut  - change to
landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]

Are these 3 changes acceptable?

My one slight discomfort is that I dont like the way crop = rice is
rendered on the map, but then we should't be tagging for the rennderers
anyway!

Regards

David

[1]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop
[2]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trees

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Re: [talk-ph] Various farmed landuses

[David Groom]

My only reason for choosing landuse=meadow rather than landuse=farmland 
was to change as few tags as possible, though I think I agree with you 
and prefer landuse=farmland


David


On 14/02/2016 13:25, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

I agree with changes 2 and 3. For #1, I think it should be
landuse=farmland instead of meadow. Rice fields are far from being
meadows.

On 2/14/16, David Groom  wrote:

While looking at existing tagging of landuse areas in Leyte I have come
across a number which do not seem to fit the tagging structure on the
main OSM wiki, and I cant see anything in the Philippines/Mapping
conventions  which contradicts the main OSM wiki (except that under
agricultural landuse the tag landuse = farm is suggested whereas this
seems to have been deprecated in favour of landuse = farmland  -  maybe
the Phillipine / mapping conventions page is out of date?)

An example of some of the current tagging can be seen here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.1121/124.8899

I would like to change the following:

1) Areas currently tagged landuse = meadow; name = Ricefield   - change
to landuse = meadow; crop=rice [1]
2) Areas currently tagged landuse = farmland; name = Coco Land   -
change to landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
3) Areas currently tagged landuse = orchard; crop = coconut  - change to
landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]

Are these 3 changes acceptable?

My one slight discomfort is that I dont like the way crop = rice is
rendered on the map, but then we should't be tagging for the rennderers
anyway!

Regards

David

[1]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop
[2]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trees

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Re: [talk-ph] Various farmed landuses

[maning sambale]

Agree with Eugene. There are other who mapped riceland as meadows and
should be fixed as well: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/489780

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
> I agree with changes 2 and 3. For #1, I think it should be
> landuse=farmland instead of meadow. Rice fields are far from being
> meadows.
>
> On 2/14/16, David Groom  wrote:
>> While looking at existing tagging of landuse areas in Leyte I have come
>> across a number which do not seem to fit the tagging structure on the
>> main OSM wiki, and I cant see anything in the Philippines/Mapping
>> conventions  which contradicts the main OSM wiki (except that under
>> agricultural landuse the tag landuse = farm is suggested whereas this
>> seems to have been deprecated in favour of landuse = farmland  -  maybe
>> the Phillipine / mapping conventions page is out of date?)
>>
>> An example of some of the current tagging can be seen here:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.1121/124.8899
>>
>> I would like to change the following:
>>
>> 1) Areas currently tagged landuse = meadow; name = Ricefield   - change
>> to landuse = meadow; crop=rice [1]
>> 2) Areas currently tagged landuse = farmland; name = Coco Land   -
>> change to landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
>> 3) Areas currently tagged landuse = orchard; crop = coconut  - change to
>> landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
>>
>> Are these 3 changes acceptable?
>>
>> My one slight discomfort is that I dont like the way crop = rice is
>> rendered on the map, but then we should't be tagging for the rennderers
>> anyway!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David
>>
>> [1]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop
>> [2]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trees
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Re: [talk-ph] Various farmed landuses

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I agree with changes 2 and 3. For #1, I think it should be
landuse=farmland instead of meadow. Rice fields are far from being
meadows.

On 2/14/16, David Groom  wrote:
> While looking at existing tagging of landuse areas in Leyte I have come
> across a number which do not seem to fit the tagging structure on the
> main OSM wiki, and I cant see anything in the Philippines/Mapping
> conventions  which contradicts the main OSM wiki (except that under
> agricultural landuse the tag landuse = farm is suggested whereas this
> seems to have been deprecated in favour of landuse = farmland  -  maybe
> the Phillipine / mapping conventions page is out of date?)
>
> An example of some of the current tagging can be seen here:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.1121/124.8899
>
> I would like to change the following:
>
> 1) Areas currently tagged landuse = meadow; name = Ricefield   - change
> to landuse = meadow; crop=rice [1]
> 2) Areas currently tagged landuse = farmland; name = Coco Land   -
> change to landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
> 3) Areas currently tagged landuse = orchard; crop = coconut  - change to
> landuse = orchard;  trees = coconut_palms [2]
>
> Are these 3 changes acceptable?
>
> My one slight discomfort is that I dont like the way crop = rice is
> rendered on the map, but then we should't be tagging for the rennderers
> anyway!
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> [1]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop
> [2]  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trees
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Re: [talk-ph] Various

[Maning Sambale]

This is a good thread!  And I admit, I am guilty in some of the blunders
(i.e. Barangay names) or should I say non-standard?  As you all know,
there is no wrong tagging in OSM.

Perhaps we can start a wikipage for Pinoy tagging practices?

cheers,
maning

On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 11:12 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  There's no discussion yet regarding barangays. I prefer leaving out 
  the Barangay part of the name (unless it's numeric like Barangay 
  30). 
 
 I was just about to send a second mail about that, as I realized that at 
 certain zoom levels you can hardly see the map anymore because of all the 
 Brgy. names, or hardly see certain Brgy names because of the other Brgy names 
 ;).
 I guess the Brgy concept is a special Pinoy one. This is why the renderes are 
 not designed for such a high density of area names (especially with regard to 
 font sizes)  . To ease this problem I highly endorse Seav's suggestion to 
 omit redundant words Barangay, Brgy.(anyway for being an abbreviation), 
 Village, Subdivisionetc...; unless it is really part of the name as in 
 Barangay 30.
 We should even make this a general national convention for OSM
 
  As for the tagging, place=village and place=suburb doesn't 
  seem right. I think we should put a moratorium first on tagging the 
  barangays center nodes. But cities should have place=city and 
  municipalities should have place=town. I think this is already done 
  (except for the newly-created cities/towns).
 
 Ok, I stop tagging Brgys for now. But we should find a solution for this.
 
 Guys, what do you suggest? Ask for an additional tag?
 I think we may go either with suburb or with village. 
 In any case, we should make it uniform.
 We should also figure out how to deal with areas that are well known under 
 akin of would-be Barangay name, 
 like for example Salcedo Village in the Makati CBD. As far as I know there is 
 no such thing as Brgy Salcedo. Salcedo is part of Bel Air or Urdaneta. 
 However if you say Bel Air or Urdaneta, nobody will think of the CBD.
 
  See Urdaneta Village and Barangay Urdaneta for example. (http://
  openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.55603lon=121.02917zoom=16layers=B000FTF) 
  Urdaneta Village has landuse=residential and name=Urdaneta Village
  tags but there's are boundary ways following the center line of Ayala 
  Ave., Makati Ave., Buendia, and EDSA which delineate Barangay 
  Urdaneta. The barangay includes The Peninsula Manila, and Roxas 
  Triangle, which are outside the Village.
 
 Ah, you do in fact seperate this. OK, very good. (but more work)
 Btw.: Do you have a source to get precise boundaries of Brgys. I have a hard 
 time figuring them out. 
 I think I better leave it to you to tag Brgy borders, and just do the landuse 
  :)
 
  I personally use the convention to leave out Street (except 
  numerical ones like 3rd Street). My opinion is that Street is the 
  most common and becomes the default. All other names (Road, 
  Highway, Boulevard, Avenue, etc.) have those qualifiers. But in 
  any case, DO NOT abbreviate.
 
 All right. Will follow this. (phew, i though i have to rename everything 
 again ;))
 
 Cheers
  Zoren
 
 
 
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