Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Mike N.
riding on the assumption that we'll have something like 'tiger:reviewed = no' (with editor support) to mark unreviewed areas. Ideally, an indication that an address is unreviewed would be passed along by any services that use So, who did volunteer to write that editor-support? What

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/13/09 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: O TIGER is an incredibly huge data set.  It comes from what may be the most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of OSM itself. It shouldn't be

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Mike N.
For pretty much all of Florida there is parcel-by-parcel address information available from the county. If you want to import address information, that would be much more accurate than TIGER. For that case, clearly the county information is vastly preferred over TIGER. I'm curious about

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is Tiger contains tons of dead data. No, the problem is that TIGER uses privacy-obfuscated potential addresses, while the Karlsruhe Schema is set up for actual addresses. Yes, in some locations the error

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: For pretty much all of Florida there is parcel-by-parcel address information available from the county.  If you want to import address information, that would be much more accurate than TIGER.  For that case, clearly the county

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: In particular, please don't import this stuff into Hillsborough County, Florida.  Not unless you're going to use a schema which can co-exist with actual addressing. And don't import it at all in Orange County, Florida: they already

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Anthony writes: As for why they don't put restrictions on the data, that's likely because (under Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service) it can't be copyrighted under US law in the first place. The *data* can't be copyrighted, but the format and presentation of it can. But then

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Mike N.
TIGER is fine if you don't have anything else. But that's not the case where I live. It's fine to fall back on if your actual address search fails. But adding it in a way that encourages people to *update* the potential addresses with actual addresses defeats that possibility. Perhaps

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:49 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Hi, 2009/11/14 SteveC st...@asklater.com: In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: TIGER is fine if you don't have anything else.  But that's not the case where I live.  It's fine to fall back on if your actual address search fails.  But adding it in a way that encourages people to *update* the potential

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Nov 2009, at 23:56 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-14 Thread Matthias Julius
Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com writes: Matthias Julius wrote: Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com writes: Dale Puch wrote: Would it be improper to tag the true Wal-Mart services to the building way, (either using semicolons or shop_n and amenity_n, and the partnered services (McDonald's, etc.)

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Russ Nelson
no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import. No one is writing this email. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: some cautious people are even afraid to touch tiger data because it has this Tiger is a reference data I don't feel confident to change it label attached. If you're scared of the tiger tags, just remove them.

Re: [Talk-us] Status of TIGER tag removal

2009-11-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, just a quick status report. The process of removing unnecessary tags [1] has been running for 95 days now, and has processed 113 out of roughly 175 million nodes. That's a little slower than expected and if the process continues at that speed, I'm afraid is going to drag on into the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 10:22 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote: i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 18:05 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations are not

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Dale Puch
What I know of it is the tiger ID came from the ID of each unique item in the tiger DB. A road segment that had an address range was one, the next address range was another ID. Basically each intersection to intersection. All well and good except in OSM those would all be septate ways, so they

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Stellan Lagerstrom
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: even SteveC isn't accepted as dictator. how would anyone listen to my dictatorship Dave was probably reacting to the wording. The phrase is often used when making a promise or threat, as in That's just not happening while I'm in charge. I interpreted the

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Alan Millar
no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import. I am. tiger import was great from technical point of view but didn't allow to build a community from scratch. I didn't want to build anything from scratch. I'm simply not that motivated to go out and wander everywhere mapping

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 21:35 -0500, Anthony wrote: Unless you can point me to some documentation as to what the tiger id *means* (*), I'm not going to think about it at all. Sometimes I keep it, sometimes I delete it, sometimes I delete the whole way and create a new one in its place (without