Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Lord-Castillo, Brett
I'm still getting a handle on the schemas in use for OSM, and noticed that concept of matching address nodes to ways when doing imports. I'm not so sure this will be very functional for floodplain counties or heavy agricultural counties. We have thousands of addresses with no corresponding

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Joseph Booker
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:14:37 -0500 Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps.

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Christopher Covington
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 10:59 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: 2) The TIGER import violates one of the most basic principals of OSM: Abbreviations: DO NOT DO IT. I really don't understand this. If the United States Postal Service and the Census Bureau have been abbreviating names

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett blord-casti...@stlouisco.com wrote: I'm still getting a handle on the schemas in use for OSM, and noticed that concept of matching address nodes to ways when doing imports. I'm not so sure this will be very functional for floodplain

[Talk-us] Reminder: US Chapter Call tonight, and editable minutes

2009-11-16 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Just a quick reminder for folks, the US Chapter call is tonight: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States If you'd like to add something to the agenda, please add it to New Buisness on the wiki page, and if you'd like to be in on the minutes, please

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:14 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps. C'mon, this is the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:40 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett blord-casti...@stlouisco.com wrote: I'm still getting a handle on the schemas in use for OSM, and noticed that concept of matching address nodes to ways when doing imports. I'm not so sure this

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:05 +, Andy Allan wrote: So please, turn away from imports and work on getting mappers in charge, especially out pounding the streets. The outcome will be much, much better in the end, and that end will come much, much quicker. I think TIGER was a success if only

[Talk-us] SOTM call today CANCELLED

2009-11-16 Thread SteveC
I'm unfortunately on a plane for the scheduled time. Will reschedule shortly. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER addresses

2009-11-16 Thread am12
The problem with this is that it does not tell us which side is even and which is odd, for the great majority of US streets which are numbered that way. If the number is even, it's even. If the number is odd, it's odd. OK, I think I'm getting it now. The tag defined as

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Matthias Julius
David Lynch djly...@gmail.com writes: Agreed. I can understand not wanting to abbreviate words that don't have a standard abbreviation, but the USPS is the de-facto arbiter of how addresses (and therefore street names) are written in the United States, and they have a well-defined list of

[Talk-us] addressing format

2009-11-16 Thread SteveC
Thinking about this 'numbers on nodes' schema... let's say it's perfect and we all agree, then who's going to do the import work for it? It requires matching up past and present geometries to find the correct nodes to update, and, er, that's the hard bit of coding with the Karlsruhe schema

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread SteveC
any idea where...? maybe we could get some locals to investigate what they are? On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, it seems that the TIGER data have some interesting addresses like: Non integer address: 9-35 Non integer address: 9-01 Non integer address: K200 Non integer

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread Ian Dees
As an example, we have WxyzNabc addressing in the western suburbs of Milwaukee: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8ll=43.208108,-88.161442spn=0.003003,0.003428z=18iwloc=lyrftr:m,15548394324319276506,43.208382,-88.162156 The W203N10466 value is the actual numerical address (and appears on post boxes

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread Greg Williamson
Just out of curiosity, how do our European companeros deal with things like 2-Bis ? Most of the addresses I have seen in the US with letters tend to be campuses and business parks as opposed to street addresses. A legit address in France -- #2 rear would be my rough translation. G -

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread Mike N.
Most of the non-integer ones around here are within trailer parks. -- From: SteveC st...@asklater.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:05 PM To: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net Cc: Talk-us Talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:05 -0600, SteveC wrote: any idea where...? maybe we could get some locals to investigate what they are? I added an addr:raw tag so we can find this in the future. But, here's one example. There only appear to be a few of these per county. I *think* they're mostly just

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-16 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/16/09 7:09 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: when looping through the parking lot to drop my daughter off at school, they winked in and out on the GPS display. is perhaps the

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 19:46 -0500, Bill Ricker wrote: is perhaps the file too big for some models of garmin to process in real time? i suppose, but it really seems like a couple of badly rendered tiles. I'll try it on my 76csx eventually .

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: should I waste my time, as you folks in the UK have **been forced** to waste your time reinventing an existing map? Sorry, which map have we reinvented? If OSM is better than OS, then you've

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-16 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/16/09 7:55 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 19:46 -0500, Bill Ricker wrote: is perhaps the file too big for some models of garmin to process in real time? i suppose, but it really seems like a couple of badly rendered tiles.

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-16 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: I'll try it on my 76csx eventually . That's what I've got. It seems to work pretty darn well. That's very good news. Here in new england the state files are just too small, one can drive across several and back on one tank

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-16 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: so is there anything i should do/try/whatever? have you used your state's cloudmade map that he built these from? they can be a little hard to read, i crank backlight full and adjust viewing angle to optimal. --

[Talk-us] Mapping Party Bethesda Maryland this Saturday

2009-11-16 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi Everyone, There is a mapping party in Bethesda Maryland this Saturday. For necessary info please read below. Thanks, Kate Start-time: 11 A.M. EST Meeting location: Caribou Coffee Bethesda Place 7629 Old Georgetown Road Bethesda, MD 20814 Please indicate you are going to attend at

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:07 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: So you put the house numbers on the nodes and then what happens with them all when you switch the way direction?

[Talk-us] U.S. Conversion Team?

2009-11-16 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi All, I was wondering if anyone set-up a wiki page for the US Conversion Team as was proposed in another thread. During the U.S. Chapter call this evening it was brought up that some people have data, but aren't sure what to do with it to get it imported. I suspect there is other data out

Re: [Talk-us] addressing format

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
SteveC wrote: Thinking about this 'numbers on nodes' schema... let's say it's perfect and we all agree, then who's going to do the import work for it? It requires matching up past and present geometries to find the correct nodes to update, and, er, that's the hard bit of coding with the

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread Matthias Julius
Greg Williamson gwilliamso...@yahoo.com writes: Just out of curiosity, how do our European companeros deal with things like 2-Bis ? Most of the addresses I have seen in the US with letters tend to be campuses and business parks as opposed to street addresses. A legit address in France -- #2