Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-01-15 05:35, Mike N wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already fixed them to the

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping tips

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-02-06 16:19, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 17:14 -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: [..]and copy in the TIGER 2011 name from the TMS overlay (remembering to un-abreviate as you go). As a

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-01-15 10:11, Ian Dees wrote: In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. I also stumbled across the fact that the Census is making some of TIGER available as a WMS, too: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_2011#WMS

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Better quality will result if we verify from additional sources, like those available from many counties. The best quality will result if we grab a GPS unit and a camera and GO there ourselves. Just sayin' :)

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote: In my area I know of two separate streets named E Avenue and an E Street. Boston has E St, intersecting W 1st St, between D St and F St as you'd expect. But W 1st St *crosses* E 1st St at the grid discontinuity (extends

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Better quality will result if we verify from additional sources, like those available from many counties. The best quality will result if

Re: [Talk-us] Shootout in Vegas

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-01-18 13:43, Nick Hocking wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.996927lon=-114.925865zoom=18layers=M TIGER 2011, google maps, and some other sources show the intersection as Shootout Place and Cattle Ranch Place. However TIGER 2010 and Google Streetview indicate the inersection is

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Mike N
On 2/17/2012 10:05 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On the topic of TIGER layers: Harry Wood made an interesting suggestion in the comments section of my blog post on road analysis (see other post): wouldn't it be interesting to crowdsource particularly problematic (in terms of alignment) areas of

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-02-17 06:35, Toby Murray wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Better quality will result if we verify from additional sources, like those available from many counties. The best quality will result if we grab a GPS unit and a camera

Re: [Talk-us] Shootout in Vegas

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
Found some more evidence. In GISMO, if you zoom far enough in, the segment in question gets a label - Shootout Pl. I also found street centerlines at http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/gismo/freedataNEW.htm in crscl-shp.zip (streets_l dated 2012-01-27) which confirms the name Shootout Place.

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Rich
On 02/17/12 22:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net mailto:alan_mintz%2b...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2012-01-15 05:35, Mike N wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread TC Haddad
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: but overall, the automation saved countless hours of manual name expansion for the minor cost of having to deal with a very small number of largely regionally-isolated edge cases. Can someone explain the original point

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-02-17 12:50, Mike N wrote: On 2/17/2012 3:02 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: if the name has been edited by a human, it should not be updated by a bot, or even another human unless they are willing to prove their edit. I've edited thousands of names based on photo surveys and official record

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/17/2012 4:41 PM, TC Haddad wrote: For example: in Portland all the expanded quadrant names (NE,NW, SE, SW) really detract from the experience of using osm extracts on handheld GPS. All the streets in an area of interest end up looking like they have the same name because all that fits on

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.orgwrote: but overall, the automation saved countless hours of manual name expansion for the minor cost of having to deal with a very small number of largely

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: If the directional prefixes are not generally used as part of the name, they should probably not be in the name tag, but instead as an address tag (I've used addr:direction e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/**

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 51, Issue 19

2012-02-17 Thread Dion Dock
You're assuming the street signs make sense. Do you preserve signs with mistakes or omissions? In Wilsonville, OR, there are some signs for St Moritz Loop and St. Moritz Loop. Yes, with and without the period, and both expand to Saint. There are also plenty of signs that leave out the

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 51, Issue 19

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Southwest Town Center Loop West comes to mind as a great example of just plain brain damaged street naming Wilsonville tends to have. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Dion Dock dion_d...@comcast.net wrote: You're assuming the street signs make sense. Do you preserve signs with mistakes or

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/17/2012 4:41 PM, TC Haddad wrote: For example: in Portland all the expanded quadrant names (NE,NW, SE, SW) really detract from the experience of using osm extracts on handheld GPS. All the streets in an area of interest end up looking like

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread TC Haddad
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.orgwrote: but overall, the automation saved countless hours of manual name expansion

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Rich
On 02/18/12 01:43, TC Haddad wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com mailto:tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/17/2012 5:44 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: If the directional prefixes are not generally used as part of the name, they should probably not be in the name tag, but instead as an

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Rich
On 02/18/12 02:28, TC Haddad wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Rich ric...@nakts.net mailto:ric...@nakts.net wrote: it wouldn't be the device renderer (in most cases) but the the tools used to process the data - for example, mkgmap would do the shortening for garmin maps

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 18 February 2012 00:43, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Sounds like a problem for the renderer to solve.  It's possible for renderers to easily create abbreviations when full words are not desired, but impossible

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 15 January 2012 14:35, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-02-17 13:41, TC Haddad wrote: Can someone explain the original point of name expansion? Is it so that devices that give audio directions using text-to-speech can read fluently? Or was it really all about saving time? Because there are other use cases where expanded names are not