Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2013-06-05 3:40 PM, KerryIrons wrote: I have no problem with OSM mappers putting proposed bike routes on maps but they should not be assigning USBR route numbers to them when they are not approved USBRs. In some cases there is a process underway to get a route number assigned (as I noted)

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread KerryIrons
Again, a number of points of clarification are needed. First, there is a single body in the US for assigning numbers to US Bicycle Routes. AASHTO owns the process, just as they do for all federal highways in the US. There can be any number of state and local bicycle routes, proposed or

Re: [Talk-us] Post tornado HOT mapping

2013-06-06 Thread Paul Johnson
No idea what the tasking manager is. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:47 AM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: Would be useful to set up one or more Tasking Manager projects to help manage tracing and tagging progress. I am insufficiency familiar with the process to do this myself. --ceyockey

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Are these bicycle routes being labeled USBR-## ? If they're not, I don't see the problem. If they are being labeleed USBR-## incorrectly, well, that's incorrect. I haven't read in detail every message on this thread -- are there example USBR bicycle routes in OSM that we could look at? KerryIrons

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread KerryIrons
Yes, these routes have been labeled with USBR numbers. This is the issue I raised back in March and the only issue of concern. I asked the person who did the labeling to remove the labels and he did not. I find subsequently that he has been banned. Steve All of California has agreed to help in

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Paul Johnson
See, that's the crux of the thing, though... firstly, be aware that NE2 was banned because he was pushing his agenda against the wishes of the community, and taking things off-list where things couldn't be discussed with the community, so you're just as guilty as he is right now with that

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread KerryIrons
Actually Paul, people have disagreed. There are those who have taken the position in this exchange that Who does AASHTO think they are? I and others have tried to clarify that. The fact that local jurisdictions are confused and distracted by the meaning of proposed means that we can reduce

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread KerryIrons
You really are making this personal Paul, but I don’t understand why. I only asked that those who might want to help clean up the mis-tagged routes could contact me directly. Is that some sort of OSM violation? Kerry From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Sent: Thursday, June 06,

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:49 AM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Actually Paul, people have disagreed. There are those who have taken the position in this exchange that Who does AASHTO think they are? I and others have tried to clarify that. Then I have to wonder why ACA is

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: You really are making this personal Paul, but I don’t understand why. That's not the intent. I only asked that those who might want to help clean up the mis-tagged routes could contact me directly. Is that some

Re: [Talk-us] AOL Patch and OpenStreetMap

2013-06-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: I now see Google used for the Yard sales in the area map. Just a guess: the Patch staff doesn't have resources for a map developer to create that set of interactive features using MapQuest Open. It was easier for them to just

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread KerryIrons
Paul I don't understand what you are saying. You keep referring to have it both ways and playing both sides of this coin. It appears to be insinuating some sort of duplicitousness or nefarious behavior on the part of Adventure Cycling. Adventure Cycling did not propose the USBR route

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Ian Dees
Let's bring this thread back on topic please. This isn't a cycle route ownership discussion list, this is an OSM community in the US discussion list. Further off-topic posts to this thread will result in moderation. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread stevea
To breathe a little fresh air into this discussion (and perhaps pour a little oil on troubled waters): I have enjoyed in the last few hours some email exchanges with both Kerry and Paul. In short, Kerry and I are discussing how it is inappropriate for OCM to display a USBR as a proposed ncn

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Nathan Mills
On topic, it seems silly to map (in OSM; obviously maps of such corridors are useful in their own right) a proposed route that is nothing more than a 50 mile wide corridor in which a route may eventually be routed, prospective USBR number or no. Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Let's bring

Re: [Talk-us] deleting misleading CDPs

2013-06-06 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 05/30/2013 11:21 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i'm planning to delete a misleading CDP in the near future, i'm pondering the fact that from time to time we talk about deleting all the CDPs, an idea which i sometimes think is the right idea. in this case, the CDP is for Niskayuna NY

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: ** Adventure Cycling did not propose the USBR route numbers. The route numbering system and the corridor plan came from AASHTO. We had representation on the AASHTO Task Force but were only one of many members on