Other criteria for ranking a object for "change protection" could be
1) How long has it been since the last change to it.
2) How big is it. ( a long road would rank higher than a short one)
3) How many things are "attached to it"
4) How important is it. (Motorways are more important than
I think that the "take-away" from all this is...
Since OSM is a community project, no one (or group) can work in isolation.
At some stage the community will have questions/criticisms of your work.
You must be able to receive and respond to these promptly.
Failure to do so will inevitably result
I've always been of the opinion that any of the original TIGER data import
that has not yet been edited and does not have a name tag, should just be
deleted.
Then, and only then can the rural areas begin to be mapped correctly.
In the early days there were a lot of people who thought that "any
AAAH - all my questions are answered.
The City of Austin's use of google base map has "fooled" me into thinking
that the map data was theirs rather than googles. If I click on the "blue
line" then I see the actual City of Austin data and indeed it is "REED WILL
DRIVE".
Damm - So I have actually
Clifford wrote
"Looking at the data from
Austin, the road should be name Reed Will Drive."
Hi Clifford.
Which site did you find the authoritive data for Austin from? (Tiger has
nothing and is not authorative anyway, as far as I can tell)
The Cit of Austin site
Nathan wrote
"Best to stay well on the correct side of the line "
Ok - point taken.
Did I mention that at the location I posted (using OSM) the CAPCOG website
(roads dataset)
http://regional-open-data-capcog.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/roads-2015
has the road listed as REED WILL and with a
richlv wrote "just a quick reminder that we should try not to use google
maps or
streetview, the legal status of "just looking" is also fuzzy :)"
Ok, so I if want to find out what a road is called, I'm not allowed to use
a street directory to do this? This would be extremely weird.
If I am
Andrew wrote "I would check out the City of Austin's OpenData portal:
https://data.austintexas.gov/Locations-and-Maps/Street-Segment/t4fe-kr8c
The license is the same (PD) as when the initial building import was
completed, so you are good to go."
Thanks Andrew, I'm now replacing some names
at http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/30.23990/-97.57717
Openstreetmap has three missing roads, that Bing and Google have as, Joe
Lane, Cleto Street and Fifnella way.
Tiger 2017 does not have these. Is there any usable source for these Texas
roads or, if not, does anyone have local knowledge
I wrote "NSW and Queensland don't have any sources of names that we can
use, so they
will have to be surveyed."
Actually , I meant Victoria and Queensland. NSW does have a good source but
there are no redacted roads in NSW.
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Can someone put up an OSM task so that we can replace these names , from
Tiger 2017?
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Some while back, at the Denver SOTM, a bloke gave a presentation about
depiction.
This software is all about dynamic changes to the map due to natural
hazards like flood, fire, etc and has the ability to incorporate immediate
changes to routability by marking roads closed or marking certain areas
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/29.86540/-95.66553
Can someone who has access to TIGER 2017 or who has local knowledge, add
the names of these two new roads.
Bing imagery shows that these new roads already have residents. They were
not in OSM, till today, and are in the flood affected area
Are the emergency shelters currently mapped in OSM?
I think that it would be really useful, in an emergency to have these
locations available on your phone or watch as offline routable maps
(including whether they are pet friendly).
Maybe in the next few months we could convince/help all states
Thanks Mike,
Looks good. I've already found a serious routability issue with an
unedited TIGER road in the Houston area. -I'm fixing it now.
Cheers
Nick
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Is there anything we can do, OSMwise, for communities in the path of
Hurricane Irma.
Anything that may be useful for search and recovery would be a priority.
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Hi Brian,
>From the TxDOT website I see that the road data is updated yearly, but
unfortunately the data was last published at the end of 2015.
One think I would like to make sure of, is that Texas roads are up-to-date
so that any new subdivisions that may be water affected are actually on the
This is how it's done
http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244
I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago. He didn't put out a
questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less
accessability tags than disabled persons,
We are ,mostly, volunteers. Therefore I think we should map whatever takes
our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on mapping
that we do not want to do willingly.
If the location based service providers find that certain info is missing
that they would like to have then
Yes, many thanks Eric,
This facility will result in significant improvements to the US OSM data.
Cheers
Nick
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Excellent job Steve,
I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is
stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice!
I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a
time consuming and difficult task. Walking around a
Mike wrote Since the new roads were flagged, I was able to bring them into
OSM.
(All manually checked for connectivity, smoothing, etc).
Is ther a way to use TIGER 2014 in JOSM yet.
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Richard Welty wrote the question is how much work are you willing to do to
use it.
The answer is simple - verry little.
I've been doing quite a lot of armchair mapping recently.
1) Pushing crazy TIGER roads around in residential and rural areas.
2) Adding missing roads in Las Vegas (and adding
While people work out how to remove the multitude of tiger ways that don't
actually exist, downgrade others from the incorrect residential to
unclassified or track
depending on imagery or ground survey, and fix the geometry of all unedited
TIGER data, I beleive that it's absolutely essential (from
Keith wrote
Sounds like you fixed this quickly. Would you mind explaining the steps in
detail you took to achieve this? Thanks
I decided to use a set of common abbreviations of
Ct
St
Ave
Dr
Ln
Pl
Pkwy
Cl
Cir
Rd
In Australia I'd propably add Cct (Circuit) to the list.
Then for the first Ct
stevea wrote,
though there are problems in the west, like Las Vegas
Ok - I think I've fixed all of these in Las Vegas (there were a few
thousand).
It's amazing how simple they are to find using the overpass api (and
overpass turbo).
Nick
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Stecea wrote though there are problems in the west, like Las Vegas
Hi,
I've just come back from a holiday to Las Vegas where I surveyed as many
unamed streets and new neighbourhoods (that are not named in TIGER 2013)
as I could find.
Hopefully this means that OSM now has the best road data of
It may be that what is happening is that NE2 is deliberately trying to
start an edit war so that he will be allowed back onto this list to discuss
it.
If, as seems to be the case, the bulk of his edits are destructive and need
to be reverted, then the sensible thing to do may be to put an auto
I think the most necessary cleanup to the USA OSM data is to clean up all
the crazy unedited original Tiger roads.
These can easily be identified simply as those ways that have a name but
are still the original Tiger data and have not been edited. (except for the
balrog-kun bot). You could just
oldtopos wrote
I will also point out that the connectivity errors I mentioned earlier are,
in fact, largely a result of unedited TIGER data
I'd be happy to go along with a flavour of a connect-a-tron. It's very
hard not to clean up an entire neighbourhood/s when crazy TIGER roads are
spotted
Level 3
Tiger 2012 roads, that are named, that don't have a corresponding OSM way
with similar naming and similar geometry.
This would pick up new 2012 Tiger roads, and unedited original Tiger named
roads which were of poor quality.
Level 4
Tiger unedited roads that are highway residential and
Hi all,
I've just oredered a ticket for this. I live in Australia but I hope it's
ok if I attend a local chapter event like this.
I do have some US credentials. I've driven and mapped extensively in
California, and Colarado and Nevada and armchairmapped in a few other
states as well.
I believe
Mike wrote
Each area will
need to be evaluated as to when a feed will be resumed.
Mike,
I think it is unreasonable to expect the average sat-nav user to
selectively update just bits of their data based on the progress with
data replacement.
They don't want to know about the licence change or
Ok I've found a few more close typos
Gassen not Glassen
Tropico not Tropica
Parrish not Parish
Lavell not lavel
Pleasant View not Pleasent View
Seymour not Seymore
Arroyo Seco not Aroyo Seco
Shilburn not Shelburn
I've have not fixed the Parrish/Lavell ones since there is something
really wrong
martjin wrote
I'd say knowing what they look like + Bing is sufficient if the road
markings are actually there (not only the lane separator linear
markings - that's too ambiguous).
Ok - I have remapped Cypress Avenue and the intersection at
Verdugo Road using only Bing and TIGER.
I have
This morning I decided to remap another street off Cypress Avenue L.A.
I randomly choose Ariva Street and lo and behold the TIGER2011
overlay said that it was Arvia Street.
TIGER is usually spot on with names and since a Bing search and Google
maps/street view also agree about Arvia this street
Blimey - two streets up from Arvia, Asbury Street was incorrectly
named in OSM as Ashbury.
Just how many typos are there in L.A.
Hey - now there's a good idead for a competition!!!
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Nathan wrote
On 1/31/2012 4:07 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:
* Blimey - two streets up from Arvia, Asbury Street was incorrectly
** named in OSM as Ashbury.
** Just how many typos are there in L.A.
** Hey - now there's a good idead for a competition!!!
*
What you mean is that imports are better than
I have just saved one street in L.A. (Loosmore Street) and hereby
award myself one SLAP (Save L.A. Point).
I mapped the geometry from Bing and the tags from TIGER 2011 and
set the source tag to reflect this. I didn't reuse any nodes.
Anyone can earn themselves a SLAP by remapping any road
Nathan wrote
On 1/30/2012 7:05 AM, Nick Hocking wrote:
Be carefull with intersecting road Cypress Avenue, we can't recover the
cycleway tag unless you yourself have personal knowledge of this.
The bike lane markings can (barely) be seen on Bing aerials.
Thanks for that Nathan,
Google
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.996927lon=-114.925865zoom=18layers=M
TIGER 2011, google maps, and some other sources show the intersection as
Shootout Place and Cattle Ranch Place. However TIGER 2010 and
Google Streetview indicate the inersection is between Gold Camp Street and
Cattle Ranch
Toby wrote
Alternatively, we could grow the community and not have to rely on
TIGER. This also seems hard though :(
Yes that has always been the issue with TIGER imports,
even the original one.
At some stage we need to decide to be the best there is rather than
just as good as the last TIGER
Thanks Ian,
This in conjunctin with Bing imagery makes finding new neighbourhoods
really easy.
Of course at the same time I always clean up a few nearby decliner edits as
well.
And where a decliner has taken over a Tiger road it is now very easy to
just
blow it away and remap it from the new
I believe that OSm's most usefull attribute is to be up to date.
The only real way to do this is with a local mapper but bringing
the USA up to Tiger 2011 up-to-datedness would be a great start.
Are there tools to
1. Compare named OSM roads with Tiger 2011 roads and highlight
just the new
Ok thanks all - I've got it now and that little cancerous bit in Parachute
should disappear soon :-)
BTW, it is interesting (to say the least) that hte TIGER 2011 data appears
to have address info in it for all roads.
Once the licence change is complete and our dat is stable then this must be
of
Is this available, somewhere, in OSM format.
There's a neighborhood in Parachute, Colorado, that wasn't in the original
Tiger but has been added by a decliner, that I'd like to remap.
Nick
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OK I've moved all the old TIGER roads into line with the imagery and added
in all the newer TIGER 2010 roads (a hundred at least).
I've got a big cleanup to do and then moving hundreds of drains underground,
relocating canals and train lines to fit the imagery and adding bridges
level crossings,
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I suggest that instead you open the TIGER data file as a separate layer
in JOSM so you can copy new data from the TIGER layer to the OSM layer.
There's no point in tracing from rasters if the data already exists as
Thanks Mike,
I've just had a bit of a play with this and have it pretty much under
control. I've added four or five new roads. The method works well.
I guess that I've now got about twenty hours of hard work to bring Grand
Junction up to TIGER 2010 standard.
My sequence to add a new
Hi Kate,
The trip from Grand Junction over to Pueblo looks (on the map) really
interesting.
I'll plan (tentatively) to get to Pueblo about lunch time on the 7th
Does anyone know of any unmissable things to see/do on the US 50?
Cheers
Nick
Hi All,I know there was some talk about the GeoBus for
Hi all,
I am proposing the worlds first PIMP (Proxy Individual Mapping Party).
How it goes would be like this. Once I have finished turning Grand Junction
from red to green (in about 1 week), then lots of you (from all over the
world) could check what OSM has against all possible mapping
It's taken a couple or years but finally a top mapper has really improved on
some basic mapping I did in Las Vagas. I think they used personnel notes
plus Bing imagery and have really fleshed out Bellagio and quite a lot of
other Casinos. (although Encore is still woefully bad).
That has just
Does anyone know how often this map will be updated?
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I don't see it as corrupting. It's not mangling the mapper's work in any
way. If they don't like the new overlapping road, then just delete the TIGER
one.
Ok - We've hit an impass then.
You can't just hit delete You have to merge all the duplicated data in
order
to make the way/area sane It
If by not disturbing existing edits you include the
overlaying of other data on top of existing ones,
then I completely agree.
Also there are countless non-existant roads crossing
the interstates. These have had to be deleted and I
agree, must never come back.
And yes I agree that any altered
Again, let's calm down a little bit. Were you around for the last
import? Did you see how I handled data conflicts in that one? Was
there a problem there that needs fixing this time around?
Yes I think there were problems. There have been some diary entries
bemoaning the fact that their edits
I'll try again - last post appreas to have been truncated.
Again, let's calm down a little bit. Were you around for the last
import? Did you see how I handled data conflicts in that one? Was
there a problem there that needs fixing this time around?
Yes I think there were problems. There
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