Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-11 Thread Greg Morgan
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Rihards wrote: > On 2016.12.09. 00:44, Elliott Plack wrote: > > You mean these things aren't?pasted1 > > no. here the road is physically making a circle, and you cannot cross > the middle section - it should be mapped as a separate way, not a

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > That seems dangerous for USA where (most of us) can't even manage to > navigate the normal kind of rotary ("round-about" with shrubbery > center) safely and correctly. Too many of us would take the left turn > the same

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-10 Thread Bill Ricker
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > or car is going to be ouch-o-rama for something is designed to be > traversable by trucks, luckily my "car" is eligible for truck or passenger plates; i've crossed higher medians (un)intentionally (both). If neither

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > >> >> Does it do harm to treat a mini as a regular roundabout in the land that >> isn't even doing big roundabouts right yet? >> > >

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > Does it do harm to treat a mini as a regular roundabout in the land that > isn't even doing big roundabouts right yet? > Probably no harm but if you were a trucking company looking to deliver goods to an address was

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > I have seen a number in US with crown height low enough that emergency > vehicle can go right over and trailers can cheat up. > Right, that's normal usage, but an actual mini roundabout is literally just painted on the

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-09 Thread Mike N
On 12/9/2016 9:49 PM, Rihards wrote: definitely. please only tag as miniroundabouts places that you would pass straight in a normal car :) similarly, if there is an island, it is better to map a circle way, not just a node with turning_circle - the latter should be used only for "full" circles

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-09 Thread Rihards
On 2016.12.09. 08:21, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Clifford Snow > wrote: > > Elliott, > Here is a mini-roundabout [1] in my town along with an article [2] > that talks about how much less it costs to

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-09 Thread Bill Ricker
I have seen a number in US with crown height low enough that emergency vehicle can go right over and trailers can cheat up. For USAn usage, even if they are eligible for tagging as a mini roundabout node, that may be confusing. Routing of "third right on roundabout" works ... "Left at

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-09 Thread Clifford Snow
The roads leading up to the roundabout are either 25 or 35MPH streets. If there are trucks, they are likely coming from the 25MPH roads. I believe the intersection is marked 20MPH caution sign. I'll take a picture of if from street level, after the snow melts. On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 11:49 PM,

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> That's got a curbed truck apron in the middle, I wouldn't call that a >> mini. > > > When I added the roundabout, I agreed with you,

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > That's got a curbed truck apron in the middle, I wouldn't call that a > mini. When I added the roundabout, I agreed with you, but the more I drive through it, I've come to realize that it's really a mini. It's low

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Elliott, > Here is a mini-roundabout [1] in my town along with an article [2] that > talks about how much less it costs to install a mini-roundabout. > > [1]

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread Clifford Snow
Elliott, Here is a mini-roundabout [1] in my town along with an article [2] that talks about how much less it costs to install a mini-roundabout. [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/1k2usg6abxi8kal/mini-roundabout.png?dl=0 [2] http://www.djc.com/news/co/12069069.html On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM,

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread David Kewley
For Elliott's example, I would use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dturning_loop. David On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Rihards wrote: > On 2016.12.09. 00:44, Elliott Plack wrote: > > You mean these things aren't?pasted1 > > no. here the road is physically

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread Elliott Plack
Awesome! I didn't know about that one. I'm glad that I asked. I always found it a bit cumbersome to trace all those little loops and if used for navigation, the GPS doesn't always work on the Loop. On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 19:52 David Kewley wrote: > For Elliott's

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread Rihards
On 2016.12.09. 00:44, Elliott Plack wrote: > You mean these things aren't?pasted1 no. here the road is physically making a circle, and you cannot cross the middle section - it should be mapped as a separate way, not a single node. Paul, i believe there are a few more, but i can't remember where

Re: [Talk-us] An actual mini roundabout!

2016-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
Palm hit the touchpad... http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/42.64745/-84.64277 On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > As far as I can tell from FHWA documents, I finally stumbled on the one > intersection in the US that actually qualifies as a