Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Mike N
On 9/7/2016 2:38 PM, Brian Stromberg wrote: My point was only that applying an automated process nationwide without any consideration for on-the-ground verification seems likely to make a less accurate map. For the ITT case, there is presumably a reference on the web site that lists all

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Brian Stromberg
Thank you! I am trying to get more engaged with some aspects of OSM and this list has been very interesting to read. I agree with Elliott that it is wrong-headed to leave mislabeled POIs in place in order to encourage participation. My point was only that applying an automated process nationwide

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Mike N
On 9/7/2016 10:13 AM, Brian Stromberg wrote: Automated nationwide mapping seems like it would introduce more problems than it would solve. If maps are intended to represent the truth on the ground, then the only way to create a useful map is by reporting what is actually there rather than making

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Elliott Plack
I ran some queries on Overpass Turbo. There are only 15 POIs that match some variant of ITT Tech in the USA. Here's the full list: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9a8770998bacbb7bc7ba81f93eca618d . Here is the query: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/igB While it is important to be critical of

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Brian Stromberg
Automated nationwide mapping seems like it would introduce more problems than it would solve. If maps are intended to represent the truth on the ground, then the only way to create a useful map is by reporting what is actually there rather than making assumptions. A map that is inaccurate because

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Greg Morgan
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 09/06/2016 11:01 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > > Should we launch an automated edit, or some kind of batch process on OSM > > to clear the database `name=ITT Tech` (or similar) worldwide? > For one I had to go

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/07/2016 03:25 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Your comment comes across as bizarre and hostile to the US mapping > community, as if you think it's horribly broken and proving that > point is more important than improving the map. I think there's a misunderstanding here. I had the same

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm writes: > Hi, > > On 09/07/2016 02:48 AM, Mike N wrote: >> But if one less >> thing is wrong or outdated, that makes the data more useful to all clients. > > Except those humans who could have used that outdated thing as a marker > to tell them that the map

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Mike N
On 9/7/2016 3:45 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Except those humans who could have used that outdated thing as a marker to tell them that the map is dated. Yes they could look at the last modification date of things or analyze how many contributors the area has or myriad other OSM insider things. But

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Rory McCann
On 06/09/16 23:01, Elliott Plack wrote: > Should we launch an automated edit, or some kind of batch process on OSM > to clear the database `name=ITT Tech` (or similar) worldwide? Be careful about the "worldwide" part. There are many country specific brands, and it could be possible that the name

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/07/2016 02:48 AM, Mike N wrote: > But if one less > thing is wrong or outdated, that makes the data more useful to all clients. Except those humans who could have used that outdated thing as a marker to tell them that the map is dated. Yes they could look at the last modification

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-06 Thread Mike N
On 9/6/2016 5:36 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Automatically editing away something country-wide hides the fact that the map lacks attention in an area. I'm not sure that hiding lack of attention is such a bad thing. In some places I only update items of interest instead of taking the time to

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/06/2016 11:01 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > Should we launch an automated edit, or some kind of batch process on OSM > to clear the database `name=ITT Tech` (or similar) worldwide? This is a discussion that has happened in the past when Domino's Pizza has rebranded, or when the

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-06 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Tue, 2016-09-06 at 21:01 +, Elliott Plack wrote: > Today, September 6, 2016, all ITT Tech campuses have closed due to a > fallout with the federal government (read more: > https://twitter.com/FOX59/status/773144554438524928 ) [...] > Should we launch an automated edit, or some kind of

[Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

2016-09-06 Thread Elliott Plack
Today, September 6, 2016, all ITT Tech campuses have closed due to a fallout with the federal government (read more: https://twitter.com/FOX59/status/773144554438524928 ) On August 19, 2016, Apple Inc. rebranded all of their retail locations (FKA Apple Store) to simply, "Apple" (read more: