Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/13/17 10:08 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > > I generally support these kinds of things. However such an old tag is in > use so much, that changing it would really mess a lot of things up for a > while. You'd need a lot of work to move over. So I'm skeptical purely > for practical reasons. And I

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-13 Thread Rory McCann
On 10/03/17 22:27, Joshua Houston wrote: > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be > phased out from OpenStreetMap language. The philosophy of OpenStreetMap > is very inclusive and that should be represented even in the way data is > tagged. I'd like to propose to

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-11 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Fairhurst writes: > Joshua Houston wrote: > > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be > > phased out from OpenStreetMap language. > > FWIW, the lingua franca of OSM tagging is British English: so, colour rather > than color, and so on. > > man_made

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Joshua Houston wrote: > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be > phased out from OpenStreetMap language. FWIW, the lingua franca of OSM tagging is British English: so, colour rather than color, and so on. British English does of course have different cultural

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Kevin Kenny
Inadvertently sent this as a private reply when I meant to send it to the list: On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Blake Girardot > wrote: > >> You bring up a good point of course. It sticks out

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Blake Girardot wrote: > You bring up a good point of course. It sticks out to me too. I am not > sure what a good alternative is though. human_made is not to bad. > Looking through taginfo for man_made, it strikes me that structure could

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Blake Girardot
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Joshua Houston wrote: > Hi, > > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be phased > out from OpenStreetMap language. The philosophy of OpenStreetMap is very > inclusive and that should be represented even in the

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/10/2017 10:27 PM, Joshua Houston wrote: > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term Two observations: 1. Our tagging system is complicated, illogical, and has little to do with real language. Things are tagged as amenity even if they're hardly that in any normal use of the

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Mike N
On 3/10/2017 4:27 PM, Joshua Houston wrote: It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be phased out from OpenStreetMap language. Changing any long-established tag will have long lasting ripple effects in the many data consumers. Any such tag migration would need

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Joel Holdsworth
On 10/03/17 14:52, Brian Stromberg wrote: Wow. I think it at least merits a discussion. Yes, it's a political decision but not so ridiculous as to dismiss it as part of a feminist plot. Not a feminist plot. Just a very tired game to see played out over and over. I've seen it played in a lot

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Harald Kliems
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:28 PM Joshua Houston wrote: > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be > phased out from OpenStreetMap language. The philosophy of OpenStreetMap is > very inclusive and that should be represented even in the way data

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Brian Stromberg
Wow. I think it at least merits a discussion. Yes, it's a political decision but not so ridiculous as to dismiss it as part of a feminist plot. I would also point out that using a gender-specific term like "man" does more to maintain division than anything else. -- Brian On Mar 10, 2017 4:38

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Joel Holdsworth
Fair enough --- but please be clear that this form of discussion is highly divisive in and of itself, and should be treated as such. It is pointless in the sense that renaming "man_made=" to "human_made=" will not help the development of the map in any way. Bike-shedding about this only

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Ian Dees
Please keep discussion on topic and positive. Discouraging further discussion by applying labels such as "pointless" to someone's opinion makes this list less open to those that believe it is an important thing to discuss. Thanks, Ian (Your friendly talk-us moderator) On Mar 10, 2017 16:38,

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Joel Holdsworth
No. "Man" has been a general term for humanity in the English language since time immemorial. It is only feminists who wish to divide humanity along gender lines who have a problem with "man" as a term of reference. Such argumentation is deliberately divisive, and serves no purpose. There

[Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

2017-03-10 Thread Joshua Houston
Hi, It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be phased out from OpenStreetMap language. The philosophy of OpenStreetMap is very inclusive and that should be represented even in the way data is tagged. I'd like to propose to change the key from "man_made" to "human_made"