[Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Hi, Our team came across duplicated highways like this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/144422919/. Based on the latest changeset, this is probably due to the revertion of the SEO spam. We documented the issue here: https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/310 > Reverting all these edits

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Hi, On 06.07.2017 13:01, Mike N wrote: >In the larger picture, what damage is being done to OSM by the > 'spam', once the correct and standard tags are being used? ... and we can be reasonably sure that whoever said the business was at this location, actually knew and not just guessed ;)

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

On 7/6/2017 5:42 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Reverting all these edits would probably create a lot of collateral damage. We could manually go through them and revert all that contain marketing speak, but even that would probably throw out a few babies with the bathwater here and there. In the

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Hi, On 05.07.2017 23:05, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I've done some numbers, maybe it helps. The CSVs I uploaded were a bit difficult to process because of lack of escaping. I've made a new one here http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/one-trick-ponies.csv To recap, this file contains all changesets

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

On 06/07/17 04:42, John F. Eldredge wrote: The "mechanical Turk" term is not an ethnic slur, but instead an allusion to a famous 18th-century chess-playing automaton, made to resemble the upper body of a man in traditional Turkish clothing, mounted on a cabinet. It was eventually revealed to

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

I'm looking for input on doing a post on the Reddit/r/SEO subreddit describing some of the damage done by a few and why adding their clients to OSM won't help. What concerns me is that it will create another TheSilphRoad where every Pokemon player wants to add fake water features. Do you think it

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

The "mechanical Turk" term is not an ethnic slur, but instead an allusion to a famous 18th-century chess-playing automaton, made to resemble the upper body of a man in traditional Turkish clothing, mounted on a cabinet. It was eventually revealed to be a fake automaton, operated by a man hidden

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Can we curtail the discussion on which country is responsible? It doesn't seem to help move us forward to tackling the problem. I've met with two different SEO companies looking to add their clients to OSM. It appears they didn't want to go through the import process nor did they start adding

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Just to bring a little perspective from the DWG (but speaking in a personal capacity): The issue of SEO groups adding information first came up at the beginning of 2016. We were able to revert a lot of the data for a while in cooperation with vigilant users. Blocks are useless in these cases

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Great research Frederik! *~~* *Denis Carriere* On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > > These spam changes do not need that complexity to detect. > > I've done some numbers, maybe it helps. > > I counted all users that only ever commited one

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Hi, > These spam changes do not need that complexity to detect. I've done some numbers, maybe it helps. I counted all users that only ever commited one changeset with one edit inside. This number is 140352. Then I discarded those where the changeset comment was shorter than 50 characters or

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Just to put the whole thing into perspective: the current run rate of SEO fake accounts in the US seems to be reasonably low. I counted 5 for the last 7 days, that is roughly 2% of new mappers in the US during those 7 days. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Am 05.07.2017 um 17:27 schrieb Greg Morgan: > > > Am 01.07.2017 um 08:33 schrieb Simon Poole: > > ...given that we have a known US based SEO company that has created > (literally) 1000s of such accounts (but with slightly less spammy > edits), and "we" haven't taken any action, why should we in

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Hi, On 07/05/2017 05:40 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 05/07/2017 16:27, Greg Morgan wrote: >> I've seen the DWG go after real newbies because they are exited and >> want to make a difference but make a few mistakes. > > Have you got an example of that (offlist if it would be preferable)? Yes, I

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

On 2017.07.05. 18:40, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 05/07/2017 16:27, Greg Morgan wrote: >> I've seen the DWG go after real newbies because they are exited and >> want to make a difference but make a few mistakes. > > Have you got an example of that (offlist if it would be preferable)? > > A

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

On 05/07/2017 16:27, Greg Morgan wrote: I've seen the DWG go after real newbies because they are exited and want to make a difference but make a few mistakes. Have you got an example of that (offlist if it would be preferable)? A significant amount of my DWG time is spent trying to persuade

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 06/30/2017 06:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company > > (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. > > Was it not possible to determine the

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Am 01.07.2017 um 12:48 schrieb Walter Nordmann: > hi simon, > > > Am 01.07.2017 um 08:33 schrieb Simon Poole: >> >> I've already touched on this with the sys admins and saved refs to >> the ones that I fixed. However it is unlikely that we will do any >> thing with the information as the accounts

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

hi simon, Am 01.07.2017 um 08:33 schrieb Simon Poole: I've already touched on this with the sys admins and saved refs to the ones that I fixed. However it is unlikely that we will do any thing with the information as the accounts are extremely unlikely to be reused, and on the other hand,

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Am 01.07.2017 um 03:54 schrieb Clifford Snow: > Simon, > Thanks for looking at them. Fortunately there wasn't too many to fix > mannually. Some of vandalism goes back 2 or 3 years if I recall > correctly. I did check Canada thinking that they might have hit them > as well, but other than some

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

On 06/30/2017 11:21 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company > (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel pointed > out the problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to add their > client to a street, often

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Simon, Thanks for looking at them. Fortunately there wasn't too many to fix mannually. Some of vandalism goes back 2 or 3 years if I recall correctly. I did check Canada thinking that they might have hit them as well, but other than some strange addresses on ways, it was clean. Ian Dees did fixed

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Hi, On 06/30/2017 07:24 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > Every edit was made by a new/separate user account that only ever makes > one edit. In most cases, these edits are useful (it's someone adding a > business POI) but in some cases they add the details to the wrong piece > of geometry. I see. We had a

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 30.06.2017 um 22:59 schrieb Ian Dees: >> First of all, that's Mapbox's data team that made the changes since the SEO >> editor added junk, not Telenav, > > Sorry, but making about a dozen edits on a road (including

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Am 30.06.2017 um 22:59 schrieb Ian Dees: > First of all, that's Mapbox's data team that made the changes since > the SEO editor added junk, not Telenav, Sorry, but making about a dozen edits on a road (including changing the tagging) -without- raising an eyebrow about its tagging is not better

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

First of all, that's Mapbox's data team that made the changes since the SEO editor added junk, not Telenav, Second: please don't spread your negative attitude on the talk-us list. If you don't want to fix the map, then move on and leave it for someone else to fix. Don't complain about it. Or if

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

I would suggest that TeleNav fixes the mess they made here http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/402471851#map=18/34.18198/-118.39599 themselves. Am 30.06.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Simon Poole: > > I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't help > noticing that some of them can't

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

A good example is "Box-n-Go Self Storage North" road in North Hollywood (I believe it should really be Laurel Canyon Boulevard) I would suggest TeleNav cleaning that up themselves. Am 30.06.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Simon Poole: > > I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't help noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because the TeleNav data team has added lane tagging on them Simon Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow: > Edits, from what appears to be a search engine

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 06/30/2017 06:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company > > (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. > > Was it not possible to determine the

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Hi, On 06/30/2017 06:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company > (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Was it not possible to determine the user accounts responsible and then have DWG revert all their contributions? Or did these

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

I fixed just about all of the problems east of the Mississippi. It'd probably be worth doing a more in-depth analysis on these SEO edits at some point. They all seem to add similar tags, use Sentence Case in user names, and only have one edit. On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Clifford Snow

[Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel pointed out the problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to add their client to a street, often changing the name of the street to the company. Fortunately