Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes: On 08/11/2009 06:10 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: But, is abandoned really in use in other countries to mean what in the US we call old railroad grade? (Here I am taking USGS norms to be established practice in the US.) Probably not; however, it is

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Miller
On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:55, Greg Troxel wrote: Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes: On 08/11/2009 06:10 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: But, is abandoned really in use in other countries to mean what in the US we call old railroad grade? (Here I am taking USGS norms to be established

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-11 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/11/2009 06:10 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: But, is abandoned really in use in other countries to mean what in the US we call old railroad grade? (Here I am taking USGS norms to be established practice in the US.) Probably not; however, it is accepted practice in OSM. As you say, someone

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-10 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/08/2009 07:31 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: The current tag definition is awkward: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:railway because tags mean something unintuitive: It's not unintuitive, it's just not the same as US legal definitions. disused = no longer used abandoned =

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:19 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: The Upper Charles Trail was included in the MASSgis import. It has a note=under construction. As imported and proposed, it slavishly followed a passenger and freight line straight to the center of town, but Milford sensibly added scenic

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: ` On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:19 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: The Upper Charles Trail was included in the MASSgis import. It has a note=under construction. As imported and proposed, it slavishly followed a passenger and freight line straight to the center of

[Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-07-20 Thread Bill Ricker
The Upper Charles Trail was included in the MASSgis import. It has a note=under construction. As imported and proposed, it slavishly followed a passenger and freight line straight to the center of town, but Milford sensibly added scenic curves and grades, connecting a picnic area and municipal

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-07-20 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 20.07.2009 um 14:19 schrieb Bill Ricker: What are the tags for abandoned RR right of way that is NOT a biketrail, but still visible? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:railway railway=abandoned Stefan -- Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de Fon +49 151 14070811

[Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-07-20 Thread Greg Troxel
What are the tags for abandoned RR right of way that is NOT a biketrail, but still visible? I found http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/detailed_Railway_Network Someone said railway=abandoned, but there are three separate things -- my opinion is partly from USGS topo maps:

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-07-20 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: * out of service (disused=yes above) [tracks present, no trains, but not abandoned] * abandoned (this is a legal distinction in the US) * old railroad grade (beyond abandoned, where there are no longer tracks) My criteria is: if there

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-07-20 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 20.07.2009 um 21:25 schrieb Alex Mauer: Greg Troxel wrote: Someone said railway=abandoned, but there are three separate things -- my opinion is partly from USGS topo maps: * out of service (disused=yes above) [tracks present, no trains, but not abandoned] * abandoned (this is a

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-07-20 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Greg Troxelg...@ir.bbn.com wrote:  So abandonment is a serious legal step, and can revert ownership of the ROW, etc.   The tracks can still be present. but preferably transferred to a railtrail org or the state -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com