Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Mike N
On 1/6/2013 7:30 AM, Alex Barth wrote: This could be achieved e. g. by overlaying a light, opaque OSM highway layer with a contrasting TIGER layer, only exposing TIGER 12 geometry where it differs from OSM. Here is a TIGER 12 vs OSM comparison. They cyan inner arc exists in TIGER 12 but

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Mike N
On 1/6/2013 7:30 AM, Alex Barth wrote: This could be achieved e. g. by overlaying a light, opaque OSM highway layer with a contrasting TIGER layer, only exposing TIGER 12 geometry where it differs from OSM. Oops, forgot the link: http://greenvilleopenmap.info/TIGER12vsOSM.jpg Here is a

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Alex Barth
On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've done this before and it works great for ~z10+. Some more processing needs to be done for the lower zoom levels so that we can display an overview to make it easier to find problematic areas. Any particular thoughts on

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Alex Barth
On Jan 6, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/6/2013 11:37 AM, Mike N wrote: I like the idea of a TIGER 07 vs 12 comparison only being used as a trigger. If you compare TIGER 12 vs OSM, it will highlight all the TIGER 07 artifact roads that were removed because they were

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've done this before and it works great for ~z10+. Some more processing needs to be done for the lower zoom levels so that we can display an overview to make

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Michal Migurski
On Jan 6, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Alex Barth wrote: On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 1/4/13 1:31 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: Interesting—how would you characterize bad roads? One characteristic of crappy TIGER data is road wiggliness, is that what you

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread dies38061
Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've done this before and it works great for ~z10+. Some more processing needs to be done

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-06 Thread Alex Barth
On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 1/4/13 1:31 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: Interesting—how would you characterize bad roads? One characteristic of crappy TIGER data is road wiggliness, is that what you mean? the tiger 2010/11/12 data is much better

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-06 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 1/4/13 1:31 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: Interesting—how would you characterize bad roads? One characteristic of crappy TIGER data is road wiggliness,

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-06 Thread Mike N
On 1/6/2013 7:30 AM, Alex Barth wrote: This could be achieved e. g. by overlaying a light, opaque OSM highway layer with a contrasting TIGER layer, only exposing TIGER 12 geometry where it differs from OSM. I like the idea of a TIGER 07 vs 12 comparison only being used as a trigger. If

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-06 Thread Mike N
On 1/6/2013 11:37 AM, Mike N wrote: I like the idea of a TIGER 07 vs 12 comparison only being used as a trigger. If you compare TIGER 12 vs OSM, it will highlight all the TIGER 07 artifact roads that were removed because they were in error or no longer exist, but are still often in TIGER 12

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-04 Thread Alex Barth
On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Mike (and anyone else interested in TIGER deserts): Ruben, Ian and I would love to touch base over voice and see where we can cooperate. Skype or Google Hangout would be

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-04 Thread Michal Migurski
On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:33 AM, Alex Barth wrote: On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: Sounds great, I'm actually in the middle of publishing a followup to the green-means-go map after ploughing through the full planet history dump. Great Tue 1/8, 5PM Eastern.

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/4/13 1:31 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: Interesting—how would you characterize bad roads? One characteristic of crappy TIGER data is road wiggliness, is that what you mean? the tiger 2010/11/12 data is much better for many of the bad tiger areas. it'd be a bit of work to do a comparison of

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-03 Thread Alex Barth
On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Ruben Lopez Mendoza wrote: A few obvious steps stand out, including rendering a national version of these maps. I'd also love to figure out whether it makes sense to join forces with Mike

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com writes: Michal Migurski writes: Also, what's the deal with the Massachusetts TIGER import? Massachusetts had already made an improved version of the TIGER data, so the decision was made to import that instead. I'm not sure it's a version of the TIGER data,

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-22 Thread Michal Migurski
On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Michal Migurski wrote: next steps A few obvious steps stand out, including rendering a national version of these maps. I'd also love to figure out whether it makes sense to join forces with Mike Migurski's Green Means Go map. It'd also be interesting to

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-22 Thread Russ Nelson
Michal Migurski writes: Also, what's the deal with the Massachusetts TIGER import? Massachusetts had already made an improved version of the TIGER data, so the decision was made to import that instead. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-22 Thread Michal Migurski
On Dec 22, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: Michal Migurski writes: Also, what's the deal with the Massachusetts TIGER import? Massachusetts had already made an improved version of the TIGER data, so the decision was made to import that instead. Ah, good to know. Any idea what the

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-22 Thread Russ Nelson
Michal Migurski writes: Ah, good to know. Any idea what the approximate date and importing account were? MassGIS Import somewhere around 10/13/07. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Villeda
Hello all, Ruben led out MapBox's analysis, the results of which you can see in his previous message. While these maps do a fairly good job of identifying areas that have and have not been edited, we're not entirely satisfied with their ability to identify where TIGER ways just don't

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-20 Thread Michal Migurski
On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Ruben Lopez Mendoza wrote: We've worked out some kinks of our first attempt to identify TIGER deserts, and produced maps a couple maps along the way. … I've captured all of this work - the postgres functions, shapefiles, and tilemill projects in the a repo

[Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-19 Thread Ruben Lopez Mendoza
We've worked out some kinks of our first attempt to identify TIGER deserts, and produced maps a couple maps along the way. Average version of all highway =* ways https://tiles.mapbox.com/ruben/map/map-badetj1b#7.00/37.927/-78.466 Percent version 1, highwahy=* ways per gridcell

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-14 Thread Alex Barth
Before I log off for tonight, let me share this screenshot I just got from Ruben (cc'ed) showing his progress on creating a slippy TIGER deserts map, pretty much using Martijn's approach of binned average geometry versions. These are first steps and there are still some math problems to iron

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-14 Thread Michal Migurski
Are you guys using the way version number to determine TIGERness? This from Andy Allan might be more effective: -- -- TIGER edits case statement from -- https://github.com/MapQuest/TIGER-Edited-map/blob/master/inc/layer-tiger.xml.inc -- (case when osm_uid = '7168' --

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-14 Thread Michal Migurski
Some context for the query below: https://gist.github.com/4291608 I've been using this projection for everything, a spherical Albers to make it possible to generate a slippy map in a conic projection: +proj=aea +lat_1=29.5 +lat_2=45.5 +lat_0=23 +lon_0=-96 +x_0=0 +y_0=0

[Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Ian Villeda
Hey team, Over here at MapBox we were inspired by Martjin's great post on identifying TIGER deserts[1], so we're attempting to effectively identify TIGER deserts for the rest of the continental U.S. (sorry Hawaii + Alaska, you're next). The goal is to create a slippy map from zoom level 2

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Michal Migurski
That's great! I've been thinking about some of the same things, inspired by Dennis Zielstra's talk at SOTM-US. I'm looking at road lengths for 1x1 kilometer squares, measuring OSM user count (post-import) vs. possibility for improvement between 2007 and 2012 TIGER/Line data:

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Michal Migurski
GeoTIFF version of that data: http://mike.teczno.com/img/osm-users-imports-2012-09.tif On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Michal Migurski wrote: That's great! I've been thinking about some of the same things, inspired by Dennis Zielstra's talk at SOTM-US. I'm looking at road lengths for

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Martijn van Exel
This would also fit in really well with the data steward notion. Part of the idea that we've been toying with for this is to have data dashboards for the stewarded areas to support targeted fixing / improving and to build a stronger local discussion and community around data information

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Martijn van Exel
I was just working on some user stories for the data steward idea, feel free to comment / add. I hope this will fit into the discussion around TIGER deserts and updates. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1mgKHtP9drx_rCXy_y3PPx_ZIBRLs1ASViorzpeOUZ0o/edit On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM,

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Michal Migurski
Absolutely, yeah. I chose a raster approach to the data I was working with because I imagined it would be easiest to adapt to arbitrary jurisdictions, whether adopt-a-pixel or masked by a county boundary. Easy to track buckets of data over time that way, too. -mike. On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:38

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: How do you identify this? I know that some of the biggest improvements I've made to TIGER data in remote areas was to delete half of the data. If the TIGER2012 data hasn't changed a naive comparison will say that the 2012

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Michal Migurski
Thanks! I agree about a regularly-updated map. For this one, I used the up-to-date osm2pgsql database that Ian Dees is maintaining on the OSM-US server we have living in Oregon, an awesome resource for USian OSM things. =) I re-projected everything to spherical albers, and then iterated over

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-07 Thread Paul Johnson
Something else that would be cool for the US OSM server is a tilecache proxy of publicly available, kosher data sources On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: Thanks! I agree about a regularly-updated map. For this one, I used the up-to-date osm2pgsql