Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-01-15 05:35, Mike N wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already fixed them to the

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote: In my area I know of two separate streets named E Avenue and an E Street. Boston has E St, intersecting W 1st St, between D St and F St as you'd expect. But W 1st St *crosses* E 1st St at the grid discontinuity (extends

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Rich
On 02/17/12 22:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net mailto:alan_mintz%2b...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2012-01-15 05:35, Mike N wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread TC Haddad
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: but overall, the automation saved countless hours of manual name expansion for the minor cost of having to deal with a very small number of largely regionally-isolated edge cases. Can someone explain the original point

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-02-17 12:50, Mike N wrote: On 2/17/2012 3:02 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: if the name has been edited by a human, it should not be updated by a bot, or even another human unless they are willing to prove their edit. I've edited thousands of names based on photo surveys and official record

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/17/2012 4:41 PM, TC Haddad wrote: For example: in Portland all the expanded quadrant names (NE,NW, SE, SW) really detract from the experience of using osm extracts on handheld GPS. All the streets in an area of interest end up looking like they have the same name because all that fits on

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.orgwrote: but overall, the automation saved countless hours of manual name expansion for the minor cost of having to deal with a very small number of largely

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: If the directional prefixes are not generally used as part of the name, they should probably not be in the name tag, but instead as an address tag (I've used addr:direction e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/**

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/17/2012 4:41 PM, TC Haddad wrote: For example: in Portland all the expanded quadrant names (NE,NW, SE, SW) really detract from the experience of using osm extracts on handheld GPS. All the streets in an area of interest end up looking like

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread TC Haddad
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.orgwrote: but overall, the automation saved countless hours of manual name expansion

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Rich
On 02/18/12 01:43, TC Haddad wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com mailto:tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/17/2012 5:44 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: If the directional prefixes are not generally used as part of the name, they should probably not be in the name tag, but instead as an

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Rich
On 02/18/12 02:28, TC Haddad wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Rich ric...@nakts.net mailto:ric...@nakts.net wrote: it wouldn't be the device renderer (in most cases) but the the tools used to process the data - for example, mkgmap would do the shortening for garmin maps

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 18 February 2012 00:43, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Sounds like a problem for the renderer to solve.  It's possible for renderers to easily create abbreviations when full words are not desired, but impossible

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 15 January 2012 14:35, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-02-17 13:41, TC Haddad wrote: Can someone explain the original point of name expansion? Is it so that devices that give audio directions using text-to-speech can read fluently? Or was it really all about saving time? Because there are other use cases where expanded names are not

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-16 Thread Val Kartchner
On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 18:47 +0100, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Perhaps checking if either the name= tag or the direction_suffix tag has ever been edited by a human would be a good measure. The ways which have been edited might need to be manually reviewed if they contain an unexpanded N, E, W

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Thread Mike N
On 1/15/2012 8:01 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: and the script ignored the TIGER subtags and improperly expanded it to West Avenue East I'm not sure what you mean about ignoring the TIGER subtags, but this street has tiger:name_direction_suffix = E, which the script used to expand the name.

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/15/2012 8:25 AM, Mike N wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:01 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: and the script ignored the TIGER subtags and improperly expanded it to West Avenue East I'm not sure what you mean about ignoring the TIGER subtags, but this street has tiger:name_direction_suffix = E, which the

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Thread Mike N
On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already fixed them to the correct names. Agreed- if we're

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 15 January 2012 14:35, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Thread Mike N
On 1/15/2012 12:47 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Perhaps checking if either the name= tag or the direction_suffix tag has ever been edited by a human would be a good measure. The ways which have been edited might need to be manually reviewed if they contain an unexpanded N, E, W or S. I

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mike N. wrote: Everyone will certainly enter name=Xyz Rd for their first edit. The JOSM validator will pick this up, but I don't remember if Potlatch 2 would notice that. No, it won't. P2 will get inbuilt QA one day, but only when someone has the time to do it _properly_. :) cheers