Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip

I have been experimenting with a similar device recently and the results are a bit disappointing. Despite the HD resolution the images are compressed to death giving a bitrate of 175kb/sec. It is almost impossible to read road signs, street names etc which are the most important things I was

Re: [OSM-talk] Import of buildings in Chicago

On 27/05/2012 17:54, Worst Fixer wrote: Hello. There is on going import of Buildings in city Chicago. Import is held by following account: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chicago-buildings I found no discussions of this import. No announcement. I searched bad? It is absent from following

Re: [OSM-talk] Import of buildings in Chicago

On 27/05/2012 18:21, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 27 May 2012 18:11, Colin Smalecolin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 27/05/2012 17:54, Worst Fixer wrote: Hello. There is on going import of Buildings in city Chicago. Import is held by following account:

Re: [OSM-talk] Enhanced version of OSM Administrative Boundary Map at OpenMapSurfer.uni-hd.de

Alexander, This is excellent, thanks! Can you say how often the admin boundaries layer will be updated? I have been doing quite a bit of work on them (in Kent, UK) recently and the changes are not showing up yet. Colin On 11/06/2012 14:29, Alexander Zipf wrote: Dear all, in case you have

Re: [OSM-talk] Enhanced version of OSM Administrative Boundary Map at OpenMapSurfer.uni-hd.de

Hi Ed, Yep, that's me. I was taking shortcuts by not including the role if the relation describes a simple polygon (as most do) as the role defaults to outer anyway. But I admit to being inconsistent and will try to sort it out in the coming days. Glad to learn of your boundary analysis

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding key info from good email threads to help.osm.org? -- Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

On 03/09/2012 21:30, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: Hi there, Is there some policy or common understanding of how key info from good email threads should/could be added to help.osm.org http://help.osm.org? .. I mean, it of course only takes someone to ask a question -- but if some_one_ wants

[OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

I noticed that the database is down for maintenance this morning. I couldn't find any announcement for this downtime so it sounds like it was unplanned. Can anyone shed any light on what is going on, and when it is likely to be back up again? Thanks! Colin

[OSM-talk] Spam detected on Wiki

Looks like the Wiki has been spammed, albeit on a small scale, by user Trichy pushing some university in India: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Trichy [1] Is there a particular process to be followed, or can one just undo the edit? Colin Links: -- [1]

Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

On 15/10/2010 11:49, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:07:56 +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote: Making the perfectly rendered map available to the world is *not* a mission goal for the OSMF. The OSMF is primarily responsible for maintaining the database and the services related to

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

On 28/07/2011 09:33, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So what's the correct name of the bridge? Does the highway department set the standard, and so both saints are abbreviated? Or do we go with what the cities call themselves and use Saint Paul-East St. Paul Bridge? I wonder what the process is to

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

On 28/07/2011 13:27, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Here (Florida) most roads are named by subdivision plats. Names can be changed and unplatted streets can be named by government resolution. Here's an example:

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

On 28/07/2011 15:13, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Colin Smale wrote: I assume all the variations would be easily understood anyway so it probably doesn't matter that much. Not worth a protracted debate in any case... In this case it might make sense to opt for the variant with the least possiblity

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

On 28/07/2011 15:32, Pieren wrote: 1. It was decided a long time ago that abbreviations are not used in tag name To quote the wiki: ...except if the signs have abbreviated words and you don't know what the full word is. There is currently no table of standard abbreviations (St. could be

Re: [OSM-talk] Id stability

On 02/08/2011 11:08, Frederik Ramm wrote: Well then let them think of a solution. Using our internal IDs to link to is a vapourvare solution just the same. Anyone who uses them must be aware that they might change at any time, even wholesale. Exactly. OSM does not cause buildings to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

What about when an object (perhaps a road or a boundary) is replaced by a better approximation? The history of the database objects is already dealt with (you can access old versions and see when it was deleted). Typically in these cases the new version gets drawn/uploaded, the tags are copied

Re: [OSM-talk] Who interprets semicolon in tag values?

(Sorry Tobias, I meant to send this to the list and pushed the wrong button!) There might be a way forward if we separate the concepts of what something IS (which can be made objective) from what it is CALLED (which is subjective). In the case of a cafe/restaurant, the type of food they sell,

Re: [OSM-talk] Who interprets semicolon in tag values?

amenity=hotel;pub makes perfect sense to me as well. One of OSM's basic rules is one real-world object maps to one OSM object. There are plenty of pubs which are also hotels, and hotels which also have/are pubs. OSMs data model should be flexible enough to evolve. Currently multivalued tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Who interprets semicolon in tag values?

Take a look at the lanes tagging business. They solved basically the same problem there by always putting the data in the same sequence. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes [3] If any of the values actually need multiple values themselves, you can simulate a 2D matrix by using two

Re: [OSM-talk] Timezones (was: Deleting data)

So how does that differ from admin boundaries? I can survey time zones by asking a sample of people what the time is. On land at least the timezone boundaries will correspond to some kind of admin boundary, sometimes at a lower level than you might expect. Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Timezones (was: Deleting data)

In the US I believe cities and counties can overrule state time, including DST rules. This is from memory as I am on the road at the moment though, so I might be wrong. Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 12:04 +0200, I am slightly confused by the idea put forward

Re: [OSM-talk] Timezones (was: Deleting data)

On 2013-10-19 22:38, Pieren wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Dominik George n...@naturalnet.de wrote: [1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:timezone [1] It's even easier to add the tag on existing countries relations. No need for extra ways, neither tagging on ways.

Re: [OSM-talk] Timezones (was: Deleting data)

Some of the anomalies in TZ boundaries can be found here... http://efele.net/maps/tz/us/ [2] http://efele.net/maps/tz/world/ [3] Some boundaries are even unclear or undefined. On 2013-10-19 22:58, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2013/10/19 Pieren pier...@gmail.com It's even easier to add the

Re: [OSM-talk] Timezones (was: Deleting data)

Nick, this can be done for admin boundaries as well. Would you advocate removing them from OSM as well? The change to the size of the planet file if timezones are included is absolutely microscopic in the big scheme of things. There are clearly many shades of grey. It's a question of where to

Re: [OSM-talk] Timezones (was: Deleting data)

, that it is not reasonable to single out TZ boundaries for this deprecation. Colin On 2013-10-21 13:14, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: The traditional consensus is that anyone can put anything in OSM It was only a consensus in the group

Re: [OSM-talk] Admin boundaries - data consumers

That does come across as a little arrogant, Jochen. The mappers and the data consumers need each other; neither can flourish without the other. A symbiotic model would be more accurate. As you say, we shouldn't change things willy-nilly, but to say bluntly it's your problem to all data

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap enhances user privacy

I notice that https://wiki pages contain some http: absolute URLs... Embedded slippy maps are not showing either... Where's the place to log these bugs (assuming it is not 'by design')? Colin On 2014-02-11 21:02, Richard Weait wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

And sometimes it matters, and sometimes it doesn't. For boundaries between higher-level administrations with highways responsibility, it matters. District Councils and Civil Parishes (in the UK) for example don't usually have highways responsiblities, so won't matter *in this case* whether the

Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

I suspect that part of the border line is based on rather old and generalised information, most likely traced from the old NPE maps. When I look at the recent boundary information from OS Boundary Line the border is clearly to the east of the road, which would explain why the road markings are

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

Not all OSM nodes are also network/diagram nodes, which are points with (AFAIK) three or more lines in common. Intermediate OSM nodes in the middle of a way are not topologically significant. On 2014-03-09 14:00, Richard Z. wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 12:34:31PM +, Dave F. wrote:

[OSM-talk] Newbie alert

Hi everyone, Just wanted to give you a quick heads-up... Since 8th March user cityeditor1000 (see [1]) has been active (77 changesets in just a couple of days) in several areas across the globe, including India, North Wales and various parts of the USA. I can't easily judge the validity of

Re: [OSM-talk] Flying club ?

I think the club house is more relevant than the headquarters. Headquarters usually implies administrative offices, which may be in a different location. Most visitors (pilots, passengers etc in this case) will not want the offices, but the main building where the club activities take place. I

[OSM-talk] Chinese doodles / vandalism

User mangoyang has been doodling random multipolygons in the middle of the North Sea, Thames Estuary and the Severn Estuary, some of which purport to be buildings... He (or she) has only 35 edits to their name so it may be a case of the user using an empty piece of the world for practise. The

[OSM-talk] UK is turning blue?

Hi, I'm not sure this is the right place to raise this, but does anyone know why the UK is turning blue on openstreetmap.org? It is clearly visible across Oxfordshire and Bucks at z12-z14 as tiles are re-rendered. Colin ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] UK is turning blue?

appears at z11-z13. On this map, the left half is blue (last rendered June 17) and the right half is normal (last rendered June 10). http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/52.0770/-0.7172 On 2014-06-18 01:10, Michael Kugelmann wrote: Am 18.06.2014 00:41, schrieb Colin Smale: why the UK

Re: [OSM-talk] UK is turning blue?

Indeed, it seems to be fixing itself now. Panic over! On 2014-06-18 08:56, JB wrote: After rerendering (/dirty), blue went away: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/51.9605/-0.7644 [2] Le 18/06/2014 08:27, Colin Smale a écrit : It only appears to be happening on areas

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

It depends whether a right of way exists. Things are rather complicated in the UK. Private means private, so no entry by default. If you are visiting an address on a private road, you have presumably been invited, explicitly or implicitly. An unofficial sign residents only might not have any

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. --colin On 2014-08-03 16:44, Colin Smale wrote: On 2014-08-03 16:24, Craig Wallace wrote: On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem

Re: [OSM-talk] Monitoring route relations

I have also been looking for such a facility - in my case for admin boundaries. Colin On 2014-11-16 10:38, Volker Schmidt wrote: I try to find a tool that continuously monitors all members of a relation for changes. Specifically I would like to be informed automatically by email when

Re: [OSM-talk] Monitoring route relations

Wambacher already monitors the admin boundaries for his website: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ [2] , so you might contact him. regards m On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: I have also been looking for such a facility - in my case

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

+1 to that! Hope it doesn't lead to an outbreak of tagging for the router though... You know, down/upgrading roads to improve the results... My first quick test in Kent yielded a route (about 6 miles) which while perfectly viable, no-one in their right mind would take. But that is probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Change: How mature is OpenStreetMap?

Attack is the best form of defence? On 2015-01-06 06:46, Jo Walsh wrote: dear Michal, This is an interesting set of comprehensive criticisms that gives OSM something to aim for in terms of a classical maturity model. However, I wonder what you bring to the party apart from critique.

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

The difference between routing and navigation is that the routing algorithm will work out which road you need to be on, but it is the navigation aspect which makes translates the routing graph to useful instructions for a human. If the main road does a 90 degree left at a T-junction, something

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

There already is a through_route relation, to show the path of the through route. It might not be well documented, but it is used (I believe)by mkgmap. There was a proposal, which was eventually rejected: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/through_route IMHO it was

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

not be symmetrical. //colin On 2015-04-28 13:47, pmailkeey . wrote: On 28 April 2015 at 11:05, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: The existing through_route proposal may not be perfect but IMHO is a good base. It will need weeding through to keep it on-topic. This is how I see the scope

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

The trouble with nodes is that they are non-directional. Junctions in quick succession, and lane-dependent give-ways could make a challenging scenario for a program to try and make sense of. Why not tag it explicitly instead of leaving it to heuristics which (by definition) will not always get

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

Won't work in the UK as there are plenty of cases where you have to give way and make a proper turn in order to stay on the same road name and/or ref. The concept even has a name - TOTSO which means Turn Off To Stay On. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Martinvl/TOTSO You cannot reliably

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

A bit of a meta-discussion I wonder why this topic is not going the same way as the debate on talk-gb last November-December in which it was proposed to tidy up and normalise various spelling variants? There was a lot of vehement opposition to any automated corrections as many chains are

[OSM-talk] Data Quality - was Re: Chain Store Cleanup

On 2015-05-02 23:28, Frederik Ramm wrote: We collect observations. ... There is no way for the mapper on the ground to know that the name on the building should be something else. I think that sounds rather disingenuous. We humans are perfectly capable of correctly interpreting data

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

I wonder how a marketing department would react if their (potential) customers complained they couldn't find the store. On 2015-05-01 08:47, Simon Poole wrote: Am 01.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Nicholas G Lawrence: Exactly why this is necessary is a mystery to me. If business wants

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

in the ecosystem. On 2015-05-01 09:45, Simon Poole wrote: Am 01.05.2015 um 08:56 schrieb Colin Smale: I wonder how a marketing department would react if their (potential) customers complained they couldn't find the store. Gary knows very very very well who and how to contact if he actually had

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

priority over the others. These junctions are usually unmarked (i.e. no white lines and no signs) because they are deemed to be default in the absence of priority road signs (yellow diamonds). //colin On 2015-04-28 18:25, pmailkeey . wrote: On 28 April 2015 at 16:25, Colin Smale colin.sm

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

The existing through_route proposal may not be perfect but IMHO is a good base. It will need weeding through to keep it on-topic. This is how I see the scope of the discussion (just to get the ball rolling, feel free to shoot): 1) it has to be about junctions, not about individual ways

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

Agree with that! On 2015-04-28 11:10, Lester Caine wrote: On 28/04/15 05:10, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I'd call this mostly a routing presentation issue. If the road name is the same, I'd want any super sharp curve to warn me: Tight left in 100 meters, or 15mph left turn ahead. The very

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

The give way sign won't help to distinguish between the arms where two roads diverge... By the way, the sign is often a STOP sign, so the logic will have to check for both. //colin On 2015-04-28 17:09, pmailkeey . wrote: On 28 April 2015 at 13:15, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl

Re: [OSM-talk] Broken coastline

...And this may be different to the limit of government jurisdiction. In the UK, local authorities' jurisdiction goes (normally) to MLWS (mean low water - spring tides), which is beyond the MHWS coastline. Why am I saying this? Please don't use the same way in both the coastline and the admin

Re: [OSM-talk] Territorial waters of Gibraltar

As you will have noticed by now, it's complicated. There is no truth agreed to by both sides, so we may need two boundaries: one according to Spain, and one according to Gib/UK. In between is disputed territory. How do we handle that in other cases?

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 2015-08-17 13:37, Warin wrote: On 17/08/2015 4:28 PM, Colin Smale wrote: If only all this energy were directed at helping OSM forwards. We haven't had a lot of progress in the last few years (I am not talking about mapping as such, but about the OSM framework itself

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

, Colin Smale wrote: So if I think something is useful to me, and I am prepared to maintain it to my own satisfaction, I can feel free add it I'd think it should be documented in the wiki .. so others can 'see' what it is and use it if they like. And the source tag should be used. Do remember

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 2015-08-18 02:13, Warin wrote: On 17/08/2015 11:13 PM, Colin Smale wrote: ...which IMHO is part of the bigger picture of data quality. Quality is not the same as perfection. It is about agreeing things, complying with what has been agreed, the ability to measure the compliance

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

That discussion is only a waste of time because people hope that a consensus will magically appear. The subject of the discussion is absolutely something which deserves air-time. I am not talking about the specific case of abandoned railways, but about who has the right to decide what data has

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

-used saying with regards to the political or social situation (yeah, we Poles like to complain a lot!) - it sucks but at least it's stable! Paweł On Thu, Aug 20, 2015, at 11:39, Colin Smale wrote: That discussion is only a waste of time because people hope that a consensus

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

While we are at it, what about specific symbols for train/metro stations per operator? That is also a great landmark for map users. On 2015-08-21 11:57, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: Lester Caine lester at

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway - routable network and reservoirs/lakes

If we can separate the flow direction discussion from the routing, the latter becomes a more generic routing through areas problem which has been discussed before in the context of pedestrian routing. The idea being that it should be possible to construct a routing engine to take you from any

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway - routable network and reservoirs/lakes

Before doing the actual routing, the polygon for the whole lake must be preprocessed in various ways: eliminate areas which are too shallow, prohibited, one-way/wrong-way, subject to traffic controls etc. Then the routing algorithm can avoid all these no-go areas, just as if they were physical

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Am I mapping this wrong, or should the router be fixed for this?

to simplify the real-time calculations), so they use heuristics which work most often. So how would you define the concept of typical speed? --colin On 30 July 2015 20:38:32 CEST, Richard ricoz@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:00:55PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: Practical maxspeed

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway - routable network and reservoirs/lakes

of a boat. Simply adding a way from one side of a lake to the other to stop some QA program complaining is bordering on tagging for the renderer... --colin On 28 July 2015 11:17:00 CEST, Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2015, Colin Smale wrote: If we can separate

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Am I mapping this wrong, or should the router be fixed for this?

Practical maxspeed is useless as well. A straight wide road may be capable of hosting land speed records, but traffic density is likely to be a far more important factor. On 30 July 2015 19:56:41 CEST, Richard ricoz@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:52:57AM -0400, Greg Troxel

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

So who decides what is good data and what is bad data? And visibility on the ground needs nuancing. Are we to remove underground pipelines/power lines? Or boundaries? Visible and/or verifiable might be better. A rule that needs loads of exceptions, is not a well formed rule. An abandoned

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 2015-08-15 13:15, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: So who decides what is good data and what is bad data? The community as a whole decides what is good and bad data. That starts with the local community and moves up

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

I meant it a bit rhetorically... Let's live and let live, instead of deleting stuff that *we* don't happen to be interested in. Which brings us back to Russ's original point. On 2015-08-15 14:08, Lester Caine wrote: On 15/08/15 12:55, Colin Smale wrote: Good question. We assume

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Is a pharmacy not the same as shop=chemist with dispensing=yes? To my mind it sounds like it. If there is a distinction, isn't it getting a bit academic? On 2015-11-01 12:51, Richard wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 09:01:04AM +1100, Warin wrote: On 31/10/2015 8:10 AM, > Matthijs Melissen

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

-11-02 10:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Am 01.11.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: >> >> Is a pharmacy not the same as shop=chemist with dispensing=yes? > > isn't a chemist the same as a drug store?

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

or whatever) it's just a waste of energy. Again. And if a miracle does happen, we can put it on the wiki for all to see and get started on retagging all the others. --colin On 2015-11-02 11:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-02 10:34 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > &

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015-11-02 11:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-02 11:16 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > >> The second issue is that the value part of the KVP is redundant - the >> presence of the key is enough. > > not if you consi

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

; would probably be an example of this). //colin On 2015-11-02 12:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-02 11:45 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > > On 2015-11-02 11:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-11-02 11:16 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

up with 24 shades of muddy brown. --colin On 2015-11-02 13:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > Am 02.11.2015 um 12:35 schrieb Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > >> Back to our chemists/drugstores/pharmacies, ... >> >> The "art&q

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

so feel free. On 2015-11-02 12:57, Warin wrote: > On 2/11/2015 10:35 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I see your point Martin. So all we need now (for your example) is a >> documented map from shop=tobacco to a list of sells:*=* tags which are >> default for shop=tobac

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015-11-02 13:24, Marc Gemis wrote: >> that's the difference between explicit and implicit mapping. If you are >> explicit, you know that it should be like that, if you rely on the absence >> of information / tags you might fall on your nose because the data wasn't >> complete etc. >>

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

A boundary couldn't be "the river" as a river has non-zero width. It might be the "centre line", "deepest line", "fastest flowing bit" . but it cannot be "the river" without further qualification. On 2015-10-14 11:31, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/14/2015 10:56 AM, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

How is the boundary legally defined? If it is a set of coordinates or a line on a map, then there is no intrinsic link with the line of the highway. If the highway is realigned, this will not (automatically) affect the boundary. This may have already happened in the past, so the lines are

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

On 2015-10-14 13:04, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Wednesday 14 October 2015, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Boundaries are often downloadable from authoritative sources. The >> downloadable data is however not always the legal definition of the >> boundary, but deri

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

Boundaries are often downloadable from authoritative sources. The downloadable data is however not always the legal definition of the boundary, but derived from that definition - either by surveying if the definition is descriptive, or by generalisation as the full level of detail is too much

[OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

Hi, User WJtW[1] has been making large numbers of edits to railways across Europe in the past few months, all with the changeset comment "Electrified". Most of them are adding tags like gauge=1435 which may well be right (although I have no idea of his source for this). However on many

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

also indicating it is > a superfluous tag when all tracks are mapped. > > It borders on vandalism. > > [1 [1]] <http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30099> > > Regards, > Maarten > > On 2015-10-07 09:20, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Hi, >> >

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

provincial or municipal boundaries, of which there are many, many more. On 2015-10-14 13:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Am 14.10.2015 um 12:27 schrieb Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: >> >> The boundary is where the gov

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-10-12 12:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-10-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > > about the sources of the other information (electrification info, > usage etc), maybe it's inside info, maybe it's a guess, or mayb

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

Same here, very similar message and very similar response I noticed he has unblocked himself and is working again, but in the new changeset I looked at yesterday "tracks=N" was no longer being added. Still not sure about the sources of the other information (electrification info, usage

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

You forgot Switzerland, where they not only have multiple gauges but multiple supply systems, including 3-phase. On 2015-10-12 12:14, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-10-12 12:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-10-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

What is "track_detail=yes"? I can't find it anywhere in the (English) wiki... //colin On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote: > I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at > railway tagging for a while, though. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

Thanks for contacting DWG, Michael. It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four tracks, all with tracks=4... --colin On 2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi. > > Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale: > >> I am not sure it

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

a helluva job. It is no surprise that people use a single way for a group of tracks as a first-order approximation. Adding tracks=N to that is not wrong, it's just incomplete. //colin On 2015-10-10 13:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

you get a response from DWG about a possible block on this user? //colin On 2015-10-10 13:46, Colin Smale wrote: > Exactly, this is the core of the "complaint" about WJtW's work. > > However, tracks=* is an accepted shortcut, somewhere between a single way for > th

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

This is your opinion, which you are seeking to impose on everybody. Somewhat selectively it would appear, as you are not going to burn your fingers on highway=proposed. I guess you will be deleting the HS2 (proposed UK high speed rail line) route as well, right? If you would like to, you will

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

, is going a bit far. On 2015-09-02 12:30, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 02/09/2015, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> Are you suggesting that parcel boundaries have no place in OSM, or that >> only verifiable sources should be used? Suppose there was a su

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

Are you suggesting that parcel boundaries have no place in OSM, or that only verifiable sources should be used? Suppose there was a suitably licensed source of such boundaries, with authoritative provenance. Would you be against this being in OSM on principle? Or is it only your supposition

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

that is agreed by the entire world. On 2015-09-02 14:23, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: > On Wed Sep 2 13:15:42 2015 GMT+0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 02/09/2015, > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: I see two separate issues getting > mixed up: firstly, what types of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] understanding administrative boundary relations

There already is such a tool, which currently only watches UK+Ireland. http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/boundaries/ Try contacting Ed Loach, the author (EdLoach on OSM). --colin On 2015-09-04 09:39, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] The wki pages ... for the mapper? or the render? or both?

Is there a metamodel behind this? Something that says (simplistic example) there are "objects" which have "properties" and "links to / relationships with other objects"? And how this might map to OSM entities and their tagging? IMHO something like this as a "poster on the wall for every

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all this bullying. Nobody has given a *consistent* answer yet. Why are "former railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the ground forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts from the past are

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

Why shouldn't it work? It is perfectly easy to understand what is intended. Anyway where is the list or definition of what constitutes a *primary* tag? On 2015-09-12 00:11, Dave F. wrote: > On 11/09/2015 03:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> But the primary key is definitely highway=track,

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