Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-22 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
On 20 Feb 2008, at 00:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: Jordan said, in a recent response to one of my posts and comparing ODL to a PD-type license: I personally am neutral on a preference between the two and think that it would be wholly inappropriate for me to recommend one or the other to OSM. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-20 Thread 80n
On Feb 19, 2008 11:54 PM, John Wilbanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. My name is John Wilbanks. I am the VP for Science Commons at Creative Commons, and I'm the one who wrote the Protocol for Implementing Open Access to Data. I've been lurking here for a couple of weeks. I don't like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-20 Thread Gervase Markham
A Morris wrote: Think of it more as watermarking One could also make a case for their being different levels of severity of watermark. A completely fictitious street is one thing; a fictitious wayside cross is another. Although I suppose, for the watermark to be effective, you would need to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-20 Thread Gervase Markham
A Morris wrote: Think of it more as watermarking One could also make a case for their being different levels of severity of watermark. A completely fictitious street is one thing; a fictitious wayside cross is another. Although I suppose, for the watermark to be effective, you would need to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Interspersed within all the facts in the OSM data dump are a number of non-factual elements. There are both accidental errors and probably quite a few *deliberate* errors (I know of some). I have taken the liberty of modifying the Copyright Easter Eggs article on the Wiki to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, It would be naive to think that the OSM database is totally error free. Of course, but until now I thought it was our common goal to make it as error free as we can, and in fact when I talked about OSM I presented it as somewhat morally superior to those evil data providers who lie

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-20 Thread 80n
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It would be naive to think that the OSM database is totally error free. Of course, but until now I thought it was our common goal to make it as error free as we can, and in fact when I talked about OSM I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-20 Thread Gervase Markham
A Morris wrote: Think of it more as watermarking One could also make a case for their being different levels of severity of watermark. A completely fictitious street is one thing; a fictitious wayside cross is another. Although I suppose, for the watermark to be effective, you would need to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, The issue was quite simple. We need to have a license that better protects the OSM data Do we? What's the threat? How has it been assessed? and clarifies how the data can be used so that the project can effectively deliver what it set out to deliver. It set out to deliver a free world

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-19 Thread bvh
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:50:48AM +, SteveC wrote: No, the total opposite. We only found out about some of the implications of certain use cases, and how it makes some use a bit easier, when we sat down with Jordan in a cafe and threw around ideas and scenarios. Please don't try