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Actually, Danel and Maria (Bastone) were key players in the tango
scene in NY before Trenner. They held classes and, I believe, a
monthly milonga in Mount Vernon, NY. They also held weekly milongas
on Saturday nights, at different locales in NYC. The first Saturday
of every month the
I just returned from 2 months in BsAs and from one visit to La Viruta
and several visits to the DNI studios. On the dance floor I saw very
close embrace and also open embrace a la nuevo tango. A friend
took an advanced class at La Viruta and felt it leaned more to nuevo
- but not so
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Ming Mar wrote:
The earliest known tango is Dame la lata by Juan Perez.
It was written around 1880 or in the 1880's. It had
lyrics. According to your assertion, tango music existed
in 1840 and nobody ever sang to tango music until 1880. Do
you really think that is the case?
There is
I wonder why we hypothosis that Nuevo is not tango, when it was only
ever an extension of tango and a breakdown of how they danced salon
and then using it in different ways
Devised, understood and taught by the TANGO MASTERS OF ARGENTINA?
Actually that is not true and many of the older
Of course you are correct.
And, thanks for this statement - there are many things in nuevo that
are not in traditional... (means new) I spose that's why it's new...
The major teachers of the Nuevo were originally salon maestros.
Gustavo and Olga
As for different postures, well,
I agree with J about speaking openly about one's experiences with teachers,
organizers and the like. It doesn't have to be mean-spirited, or foul mouthed
or insult their mother, but the truth is informative, even if it is negative.
I disagree with the monitoring of this list but I accept the
Nina wrote:
If other cultures insist on taking credit for transforming and
evolving tango, they should stop calling it Argentine and call it
something else instead, like no longer Argentine tango, or
something like that.
If asked what language I speak, I generally say English. I don't say
Ernest wrote:
Tango rules do not always apply to milonga, milonga-candombera and canyengue.
In most cases these dances existed before the sublime rules associated with
tango liso existed. These dances have different characteristics, so much so
that
they have different names.
I think this
- Original Message
From: David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
Ernest: Thank you for your posting. I have very much enjoyed watching you
dance, both on youtube and in person. You do actually dance! It looks like
fun!
I second the above notion. I too enjoyed very much Ernest and
: Dubravko Kakarigi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (no subject)
To: tango-l tango-l@mit.edu
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:13 AM
- Original Message
From: David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
Ernest: Thank you for your posting. I have very much enjoyed watching
you dance
every Neuvo element (not figure!) can, and should
be, used to help interpret the music.
We've seen countless great video examples e.g. on youtube of real tango
dancing that is truly from the music.
I don't recall one convincing example of nuevo dancing from the music.
The examples of nuevo
Chrisjj wrote:
I don't recall one convincing example of nuevo dancing from the music.
Chicho/Eugenia to El Recodo - you might not like it, but it's on the
music.
And I think most people would agree with calling this couple's dance
style tango nuevo.
Jack Dylan wrote
It appears that Nuevo is more figure-oriented.
Do you disagree with that?
Actually, and perhaps surprisingly to some on this list, I do disagree strongly.
I'll pick a two very simple examples. A volcada and a quick coldaga.
In the volcada, every aspect is led and can be
Thanks Martin, but I thought you said that you were going to delete my posts
without reading them...??
For your information; I also do NOT dance with men with hairy sweaty forearms
during classes. Why not? Because it turns me off and leaves me with a skeevy
feeling...and close embrace?
I was looking at this video today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipPGKeUn838
I would like to dance like this guy..relaxed, with the music, plenty of
space for the feet.
Can you take a look and tell me what you think? ...Isn't his apilado a
little to the side
and not straight on? Look
hello...
just for the record i think i should point out that i am not an instructor
and am not interested in stealing Chas Gale's students away from him nor Gaia
Banovich nor The Tango House in Denver, Colorado.
it's an uncomfortable subject. i'm UNCOMFORTABLE... that's why i want
Hello All;
Being one of the men in the Denver community, also one of the teachers and
dancers here. This matter is really blown out of proportion. On a personal
level, are the issues brought up important to address, absolutely!!! This is
not about pointing the finger at Chaz to put him up on a
--- Chris, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That attention finds typically the complete novice
hereabouts doesn't make
the cross. This is no problem - she and I make whatever
steps do come to us.
That's fine, but don't just don't call it the cross when it
isn't. Otherwise, it's disrepectful to
Chris, next time, pay attention to what a completely novice
woman actually does and you'll see for yourself.
Personally, I think it's better to learn from real life
experiences than assumptions. Oh, and don't say a word to
her, just lead her.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Chris, UK [EMAIL
I've never met a woman who hasn't needed to be corrected on her cross
pay attention to what a completely novice woman actually does
and you'll see for yourself.
That attention finds typically the complete novice hereabouts doesn't make
the cross. This is no problem - she and I make whatever
Floyd,
IMO, the first thing every lady need to learn is how to make a connection
with the man and how to follow. But is that enough? Well it is if the lady is
satisfied to just make the steps and make the 'moves'. On the other hand,
if she wants to dance in a beautiful and elegant way, and
--- Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMO, the first thing every lady need to learn is how to
make a connection with the man and how to follow. But is
that enough? Well it is if the lady is satisfied to just
make the steps and make the 'moves'. On the other hand,
if she wants to dance in a
I think it's time to let this subject die.
If you want a new topic that will probably never die, how about the
placement of the women's arms and head?
Any comments?
Especially interested in two holds that I observe these days in the
milongas in BA.
First the draping of the woman's left arm down
Floyd, your approach to teaching sounds innovative and refreshing,
I hope that you continue to keep us up-to-date on the results of your
experimentationi in new, effective ways to teach/learn to dance the tango.
Also, I hope that we all here, on Tango-L, can give you the listening and
Keith...
I said the (auto) cross was contrary to Tango. I've no problems with
how to lead one if it is to be led. The problem is that the lady
often does a cross on her own.Actually it's not *really* a problem
cause I expect them to... I live with it.But I do slip in side
the cross ... 's taught to be done only when partners are outside
right. Never, as one would expect in a truly improve dance, to be ok
on either side.
Actually Floyd the cross has been taught (and learnt, and danced) on her
right, her left, her right back, her left back, his right front, his
Floyd (Buffalo) wrote:
imho the lady has no moves at all to learn.
Chris (UK) responded:
True in real dancing, but a class with guys that haven't learned the
moves, she does have to 'learn' them, else in practice they won't get
done. Unfortunately the prevalent class model greatly favours
Re: Keith's latest response to Floyd on the subject...
I would venture to say that the key to leading the cross is in the torso. I
might even go so far as to say the cross is led entirely with the torso.
I doesn't really matter (in a kinda/sorta way) what the leader is doing with
his feet. I can
Alex,
I agree with everything you say. The purpose of my post was just to demonstrate
that the cross is not automitic but is led by the man. I deliberately didn't go
into
how to lead the cross because there are many ways to do this but, yes, all are
led with the torso - isn't everthing in
Everybody, though, struggles with patterns that have somehow
established themselves in their dance, be it through instruction or
acquisition.
The only ones I know for whom patterns are a struggle are students who've
had them imposed. The only ones I know who claim everyone struggles with
I'm going to chime in here...
It sounds like Andreas might be referring to patterns as habits, e.g.
getting stuck in always doing something the same way in a dance - being
repetitive. And struggling with the pattern is trying to break the habit.
Versus what Chris is talking about (I think) is
Everybody, though, struggles with patterns that have somehow established
themselves in their dance, be it through instruction or acquisition.
Andreas, I'd be interested to hear what has lead you to this conclusion.
Because if I understand your meaning of patterns, my experience shows it
to be
As a complete Tango newbie (6mos) and after watching hours of Youtube each day,
I would agree that yes 'patterns' afflict even the most seasoned Milongueros.
The difference is that the social dancers are dancing for 'feeling' and not
to be seen.
They may only have a repratoire of short
Chris,
Tell us your understanding of the word patterns because, if I understand
the meaning of the word, I don't believe you.
Keith, HK
On Mon Mar 31 7:59 , Chris, UK sent:
Everybody, though, struggles with patterns that have somehow established
themselves in their dance, be it through
Floyd,
I don't understand this. Just this weekend, I was teaching a group the
right-side walk in crossed feet. 1. Man LF side, 2. RF close and 3. LF fwd
outside partner. The lady does 1. RF side, 2. LF close without weight,
and 3. LF back. If, on 4. I then walk straight forward my RF will be
New copy after needed snipping.
It's generally accepted that it did not originate with Tango.
This is the first time I hear that statement.
Ok let me rephrase it...
The cross, as we know it, was not a part of Tango's early development.
It was introduced near the midpoint in Tango's
The cross is led, as is the weight change at the end.
I guess by some, or even many...But the ladies would have done it
anyway.At least here in the US.
Something I don´t really believe. I haven´t danced in the US yet
(though in many places in Europe, btw, because you questioned
continued from Pt 1:
Some specific replies:
Am 29.03.2008 um 14:58 schrieb Floyd Baker:
Ok let me rephrase it...
The cross, as we know it, was not a part of Tango's early development.
It was introduced near the midpoint in Tango's history.
Ok. If the 30s or whenever it came up are the
Floyd,
here are my last comments on this. Everybody else please note that this
is the third e-mail Floyd wrote to me, the other two being too long to
be accepted by the list server. If you knew their contents, you´d
understand me being a bit miffed.
And apologies if this is getting on
Good morning Andreas...
As for the cross. I think it's elegant, and a useful move on many
levels. Besides being what I call a warm and cozy place to be with
your partner.
But on the other hand.., it's generally accepted that it did not
originate with Tango. And I was specifically
Floyd,
But on the other hand.., it's generally accepted that it did not
originate with Tango.
This is the first time I hear that statement. How did you get that idea?
And I was specifically referring to the 'auto'
cross as being 'contrary'...
No, you were not. Please reread your post.
Hello Floyd,
you wrote:
I have heard or read, and I don't know where, that the cross was
indroduced about 75 years ago. In the 30's. I've taken it for some
time now to have come from Europe. It is after all contrary to the
rest of Tango.
Can you explain why the cross is contrary to the
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:07:50 EDT, you wrote:
Nancy wrote:
All I know about that is the Dinzels came through the
US in about 1994, hitting ballroom studios all over,
teaching their 'System' which used the eight count
basic and a theory of axis. It included the DBS and
lots of ganchos, barridas,
Nancy wrote:
All I know about that is the Dinzels came through the
US in about 1994, hitting ballroom studios all over,
teaching their 'System' which used the eight count
basic and a theory of axis. It included the DBS and
lots of ganchos, barridas, sacadas, sandwiches, etc -
all the usual
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Istanbul could be the second with the quality of dance, dancers, venues
and instructors.
I have been to Hotel Armada, Tango Jeans, Bailatango and Old City milongas
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On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 05:57:38AM -0500,
Hi Steve,
I can see where my comment might be taken negatively, but
it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I assumed based on his
comments, perhaps mistakenly, that Doug has become a bona
fide tango junkie.
Sucking at something is only negative if it bothers you.
For example, I suck at Texas
On Nov 30, 2007 9:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For Jeff G. re request for wedding music.
Rodolfo Biagi has some great waltzes, Loca de Amor as well as Ricardo
Tanturi, Mi Romance or Recuerdo and there are countless others but but you
can't beat one of the most beautiful waltzes anywhere
For Jeff G. re request for wedding music.
Rodolfo Biagi has some great waltzes, Loca de Amor as well as Ricardo
Tanturi, Mi Romance or Recuerdo and there are countless others but but you
can't beat one of the most beautiful waltzes anywhere in the world, which
happens
to be a tango waltz,
I'm not claiming to have become the next Miguel Zotto, but I don't agree
with what seems to be a somewhat negative philosophy expressed in the
following comments:
Welcome to a dance in which you'll never be fully satisfied
with how you dance. With time, you'll suck less and less.
Just enjoy
Hello Doug (and everyone),
Welcome to a dance in which you'll never be fully satisfied
with how you dance. With time, you'll suck less and less.
Just enjoy the process, which is much more important than
the end result, anyway. So what if you don't become the
next Miguel Zotto.
As for those
Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am dancer 12 years but only beginning Tango dancer (1 year).
What, a whole year and you haven't started a blog or hung out
a teaching shingle yet?
Huck, already resignedly heading for the Tango-L woodshed
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Doug,
I agree with Igor. Now is when you also have the most to benefit. We've
been in the game for a while, and the truth is that most of us probably
don't care what others think and aren't interested in arguing about minor
details of technique.
But, as a beginner coming into argentine tango,
Doug, posting to a newsgroup (or any kind of writing for an audience) is a bit
like having a first dance with someone you don't know. It is not a safe
activity. You are putting a bit of yourself out there and some people will like
it and others might hate it. They may even squash it. But to be
Igor writes:
Shut up, Huck !
[Wow, at first I thought this was humorous sarcasm,
but then upon reading further discovered, much to my
dismay, that he was actually serious!]
Doug does not look like one judging something he does not know about.
?!? I didn't say he was. I was merely
Shut up, Huck !
Doug does not look like one judging something he does not know about.
And I would say, Doug's experience with other dances and comparison with
Tango, what he feels like coming into community are most welcome !
Igor Polk
Huck, inflammatory answers, please, write to me personally.
Dear Charles:
Without statistics, all you say is crap. And with statistics it would be
even more crap. As about intellect, your utterrances are foolish, to put it
mildly.
Lucia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
often tangueros from around the country will visit here to dance so I will
Last night, I said it seemed 90% of the people who have been killing
Tango-L are men.
A representative of the other 10% just declared herself with her post with
this title.
She can't understand my anger. Of course not. Look what she writes and how
she adds to the discourse.
Charles, she just
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Dear Charles:
Without statistics, all you say is crap. And with statistics it would be
even more crap. As about intellect, your utterrances are foolish, to put it
mildly
I don't think you can generalise too much. There is definitely an intellectual
element to tango. Just compare it, for a moment, with a dance like salsa, which
is much more about getting down and dirty (that can be fun too ;-)). Also,
compare something like swing which, from what I can observe,
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