Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-29 Thread Niki Papapetrou
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote: Perhaps in your neck of the woods you can see a correlation and people use nuevo as a sorry excuse (i.e. claim freeedom to stand on their rights by sitting on those of others) but I don't think you see the same thing at, say

[Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-29 Thread John Lowry
Valerie says: Consider for a minute anyone you know who behaves responsibly. Did he or she learn etiquette from a teacher? Probably not. Polite people seem to come pre-packaged.. Probably did. The teacher is usually a parent. The people with no navigation skills, watching their

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-28 Thread Alexis Cousein
Sandhill Crane wrote: There are crappy dancers who dance salon or confiteria styles but they are recognized as crappy by all and sundry. What sets the tango nuevo crowd apart is that brutalizing the music, and the ronda, is considered admirable. You're making my point once again: someone who

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-28 Thread Valerie Dark
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Tango22 tang...@gmail.com wrote: It is always a reflection of poor teaching.  Teachers absolutely MUST take responsibility for teaching responsible behaviour and etiquette at the social dance. I think tango horrors are not so much a reflection of poor teaching

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-27 Thread Roger Edgecombe
Tango22 wrote: . In my experience, it is a problem everywhere Sharhrukh. An enjoyable evening will quickly turn cold for me when couples are travelling in the wrong direction, colliding because they are not looking where they are going, kicking other couples, dancing

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-25 Thread Shahrukh Merchant
tony parkes macroma...@gmail.com said: last sunday night at porteno y bailarin there was a large young crowd so both floors had a large proportion of couples dancing nuevo. there were no physical conflicts, And last night at El Beso there was a large crowd of all ages (as is usually the

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2)

2009-12-25 Thread HBBOOGIE1
There is a simple solution to this endless discussion of “them” taking up too much floor space. Think about what you said “avoid them and give them exactly what they want …floor space” Why would you give in to exactly what they want? “We “ the traditional dancers with superior floor craft

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2)

2009-12-25 Thread Michael
danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines - Original Message - From: hbboog...@aol.com To: grus.canaden...@yahoo.com; tango-l@mit.edu Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2) There is a simple solution to this endless

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2)

2009-12-25 Thread Jack Dylan
- Original Message From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net   She was stabbed in her ankle by a high boleo. Don't mean to be picky, but how can somebody be stabbed in the ankle by a high boleo? Jack ___ Tango-L mailing list

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2)

2009-12-25 Thread Michael
1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2) - Original Message From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net She was stabbed in her ankle by a high boleo. Don't mean to be picky, but how can somebody be stabbed in the ankle by a high boleo? Jack

[Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-24 Thread Shahrukh Merchant
Brian Dunn brianpd...@earthlink.net said: At some of these traditional milongas, I have seen younger or relatively more energetic dancers in the middle of the ronda making more complete use of the available space not used by the dense outer ronda. They generally dance WITHOUT causing

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-24 Thread tony parkes
i find this all very analytical last sunday night at porteno y bailarin there was a large young crowd so both floors had a large proportion of couples dancing nuevo. there were no physical conflicts, but i for one was emotionally put off by their dancing with a different energy, a different

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-24 Thread Alexis Cousein
tony parkes wrote: when moreno sang rodriguez's llorar por la mujer there was no connection by the nuevosists to the lyrics, it could have been jingle bells. Once again, that's not nuevo. That's simply bad dancing (and unfortunately, dancing that appears to be danced to an imaginary fat nubian

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2)

2009-12-24 Thread Brian Dunn
It really comes across as nothing more than rationalization to abuse the space, overuse ones fair share of the available space and blame any problems it causes on others (or perhaps just deny that it causes any). You should really find the person who's saying all these things, and take it up

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space

2009-12-24 Thread Sandhill Crane
--- On Thu, 12/24/09, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote: tony parkes wrote: when moreno sang rodriguez's llorar por la mujer there was no connection by the nuevosists to the lyrics, it could have been jingle bells. Once again, that's not nuevo. That's simply bad dancing Oh, I don't

Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space (reply pt.2)

2009-12-24 Thread Sandhill Crane
--- On Fri, 12/25/09, Brian Dunn brianpd...@earthlink.net wrote: Yes, there are unskilled dancers in all our tango lives - do you think I'm defending their lack of skill? The argument isn't about unskilled dancers; it's obvious on all sides that they need more practice or experience or