On 21/09/10 11:00, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote:
Well, Huck, after the workshop I attended yesterday, Sunday, as a leader, the
primary basic I had in mind was just for people to friggin' MOVE. It was an
advanced workshop on ganchos and the followers all had the same problem of
freezing as
In this case, they were still freezing when I was just leading regular
molinetes. Freezing without spiraling out of the gancho. Voguing. I had to
tell them all they they were still responsible for dancing to the music
themselves. When I got them to just dance without thinking about doing
My partner and I attended a semi-private with Carlos Rivarola last Friday
and here are some of his insights on how to dance salon (not performance)
tango.
First, most leaders need to rotate the right shoulder back instead of rolling
it
forward and into their partner. As a follower, I can say
Re: Women's tango posture with swayback bottom-thrust-out embrace:
Sherrie wrote:
I'm pretty sure this posture embrace is a fashion
among women, that ordinary women dancers learn
from the alpha females (teachers or performers)...
It's quite recent too, I never saw it 10 years ago
and started
- Original Message
From: Brian Dunn brianpd...@earthlink.net
Potential functional advantages of an arm-around-the-leader's-waist
embrace:
As long as we're discussing style, I invite similar non-judgmental
speculation on how the waiter-serving-drinks horizontal position of the
On 20/09/2010 08:40, Brian Dunn wrote:
=== Potential functional advantages of a swayback posture:
- Some women appear to express the music by sometimes doing very high
boleos, (backwards linear or Back-cross circular), either when led or as an
adornment on an otherwise simple tango moment.
Sherrie writes:
If you are not taught ... proper foot placement, good
walking, a firm embrace, you will not be able to be lead
well.
What is the difference between proper and improper foot
placement? Good and bad walking? How do I tell if my
embrace is not firm enough? Too firm? Just
Michael writes:
Her foot moves first to establish support for her weight
after she steps.
Yes. First the foot, then the body.
women have to bend their knees so the free foot will move
backward as far as possible.
Not quite. Move the hip back to extend the reach of the
foot.
I need the
- Original Message
From: Brian Dunn brianpd...@earthlink.net
Potential functional advantages of an arm-around-the-leader's-waist
embrace:
As long as we're discussing style, I invite similar non-judgmental
speculation on how the waiter-serving-drinks horizontal position of the
and then comes back in.
Michael
I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines
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From: Ming Mar ming_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:29 AM
Subject: [Tango-L] Basics.
Michael writes:
Her foot moves first to establish support for her weight after she steps.
Yes
Folks make good points based on what they know, who they are, and how they
feel. At this moment.
We're definitely not all going to be the same at the same time.
Hearts in the right place always should count, no matter what.
(If I may say)?
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On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Keith Elshaw ke...@totango.net wrote:
Folks make good points based on what they know, who they are, and how they
feel. At this moment.
We're definitely not all going to be the same at the same time.
Hearts in the right place always should count, no matter
Well, Huck, after the workshop I attended yesterday, Sunday, as a leader, the
primary basic I had in mind was just for people to friggin' MOVE. It was an
advanced workshop on ganchos and the followers all had the same problem of
freezing as if they were deer in the headlights. Every single
.
Michael
I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines
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From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com
To: Tango-L Tango-L@mit.edu
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Basics
Well, Huck, after the workshop I attended yesterday, Sunday
--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Brian Dunn brianpd...@earthlink.net wrote:
...and once the arms race (legs race?;) )is underway,
even the ones with flexibility have an incentive to push
the envelope even further. Wannabe followers
observe this, and a style is born.
I guess I disagree that the curvature
--- On Sat, 9/18/10, sherp...@aol.com sherp...@aol.com wrote:
Something that is becoming viral in female dancers in our
community is the sway back posture, where their chest is
thrust forwards and their pelvis is tilted backwards, rather
than tilted in a neutral position.
Yes, I've seen it
Well, as it happens, I was lucky enough to be taking
classes when there were traveling teachers in both
milonguero and tango nuevo styles, and I'm pretty sure
I learned important things from both. My preference is a
close embrace, inward-focus style, but what I got from tango
nuevo teachers was a
I'm pretty sure this posture embrace is a fashion
among women, that ordinary women dancers learn
from the alpha females (teachers or performers).
It's a women's fashion in the same sense that platform
shoes are a women's fashion: what the men think doesn't
count for much, it's what other women
what do you mean there is little male tango teachers can do
they must be true to their form...they must teach what looks correct, not just
what feels good when they dance.what am I missing here...either you dance
well with a good axis or you dance with a clutching arm and look like a
On 19/09/2010 22:41, sherp...@aol.com wrote:
but I speak for the average-I-want-to-learn-tango student...
who needs to be tracked initially into one form or the other...
so as to arrive at some form of proficiency rather than
some form of frustration.
I'm not in favour of fencing in
I'm not in favour of fencing in anyone just
because you assume he¹ can't handle something else.
I find that a thoroughly paternalistic attitude, especially
if you are saying he need to be tracked into one form;
even beginners are not cattle.
Of course, you can't confuse the heck out of beginners
On 20/09/2010 00:26, Mario wrote:
Speaking from my own experience, it wasn't until I simplified and fine tuned
the focus DOWN to a few figures and a few basics
I wasn't advocating too many figures. In fact, I think that
figures are a means and not an end. And no, I don't think they
make up a
On 20/09/2010 00:26, Mario wrote:
I respectfully disagree with all of the abovean 'explanation'
of what is being taught isn't going to stop the total mystification
of the student.
I have a hard time parsing this and understanding what you meant by
this.
If you explain something
geez, if elipses bother you, what must it be like to dance you...talk about
style versus content...think of these 's as the half beats in the
musiccan you hear them...sherrie
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Is your position that somehow *not* explaining this is
going to somehow enlighten people, because if you explain it
properly, they're not experienced enough to understand and
it might be dangerous?
I was hoping that it would be simply understood that 'explaining' something
doesnt do
Loisa writes:
Bring in traveling teachers who insistently teach solid,
clean basics!
What are these solid, clean basics? What are the
consequences of not being able to do these basics?
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Loisa writes:
Bring in traveling teachers who insistently teach solid,
clean basics!
What are these solid, clean basics? What are the
consequences of not being able to do these basics?
The consequences are that you cannot follow a good lead. If you are not taught
what an ocho is, a boleo,
And how about core and axis?
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On 9/18/2010 1:19 PM, Steve Littler wrote:
And how about core and axis?
When I dance with a woman who has no core or axis, it is like dragging
around a sack of potatoes and feels bad. When I dance with a woman who
does have core and axis, it is like flying in the clouds and feels lovely.
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Steve Littler s...@stevelittler.com wrote:
On 9/18/2010 1:19 PM, Steve Littler wrote:
And how about core and axis?
When I dance with a woman who has no core or axis, it is like dragging
around a sack of potatoes and feels bad. When I dance with a
With all due respect, neither core sentiment or strengh nor musical
sensibilities are anything like the basicsthese attributes are acquired
after years of good training, expert instruction and dedicated practice. These
are things the dancer evolves into...how successful that evolution is
Isn't it great that we have such diversity of opinion here?
But if listening to the music and interpreting it is not a basic of the
dance...then I am on the wrong planet.
...
www.theopendoorway.org/audiovisual.html
www.mario7.deviantart.com/
www.youtube.com/user/nacotete
www.tangoandchaos.org
Just getting the beginner learning the basics to walk on the beat is a big, big
deal...yet along interpreting the music...you maybe a gifted musician or a long
time afficionado of tango music, but the newbie takes quite a while to lay a
paso directly on the music and they are better off
so you agree with me, Charlesgood thing, because Daniel and Marie were two
of my first Professional tango teachers in the way back machine of 1998. Their
basic instruction was so on target, that my first dancing trip to BA was a huge
success(before the days of Taxi Dancers) and I credit
Further...re: nuevo...although i like the steps...i find it very boring to
watch dancers because there is less interpretation of the music which in itself
is quite monontonous, lacking the intricacies of classical, traditional tango
music. I don't know about it being easier to learn, but i
well as i listen to 2 X 4 radio Buenos Aires and read your last message, it
seems you have had a wonderful tango lifeothers would do well to follow in
your footsteps..no pun...it is nearly impossible to get people off the
addiction of figures and the newbies ill or un informed opinion of
, the woman wants to die.Michael
I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines
From: Ming Mar ming_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: [Tango-L] Basics.
Loisa writes:
Bring in traveling teachers who insistently teach solid, clean basics!
What are these solid
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