Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-05 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Chris, UK t...@chrisjj.com wrote: I note this list of the points that most people can judge themselves doesn't include being able to dance to the music. Correct. The average social dancer thinks that just being on the beat is dancing to the music. In my

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-05 Thread Alexis Cousein
On 05/07/2011 15:08, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: You miss my point. If you've studied cognitive memory, then you're aware that people have short term memories of 5 plus/minus 2 chunks of information. These chunks get bigger as experience and muscle memory grow. Thus, a 12+ count

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-05 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote: I know some teachers will use an obvious entry that's 5 counts long to get into e.g. a right hand side cross system and may want to bolt on an exit that's also quite long to get back into the LOD Yes, and a teacher would do that for an

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-05 Thread Alexis Cousein
On 05/07/2011 23:00, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: Yes, and a teacher would do that for an intermediate workshop but shouldn't be doing it for an advanced workshop. Exactly my point: it gets us to the point where it's no longer needed to be able to handle 12+ count sequences in an advanced

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-05 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote: Or is that you need to be able to... another way of saying that to do the advanced class you simply need to be a splicing and reassembler expert who recognizes splice sites, who can see the forest for the trees even in a long sequence?

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-05 Thread Michael
- From: Alexis Cousein Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy On 05/07/2011 23:00, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: Yes, and a teacher would do that for an intermediate workshop but shouldn't be doing it for an advanced workshop. Exactly my point: it gets us

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-04 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Sergey Kazachenko syarz...@gmail.com wrote: How would you draw the distinction between intermediate and advanced? What requirements do you put up? Sergey Defining “advanced” for the purposes of workshops or classes isn’t as difficult as it seems. Few people become

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-02 Thread Michael
Jack: I think men and women have DIFFERENT definitions of advanced. Men seem to be fixated on figures so advanced means being able to lead difficult figures well. (A woman can tell if a figure is lead well, not necessarily the man.) Women aren't focused on figures as much as men. MY definition

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-01 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Lois Donnay don...@donnay.net wrote: Despite reciting the mantra Beginners go to Int., Int. go to advanced, Advanced go to beginners they just can't bring themselves to show up at a beginner class.  There they are at advanced workshops, learning back secadas and single axis

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-01 Thread Michael
It would be even better if labels were eliminated COMPLETELY. I read one festival where intermediate was defined as dancing for 3 years and advanced was defined as dancing for 3 years. Are labels used to describe milongas? Are milongas advertised as advanced, intermediate, or beginner?

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-07-01 Thread Jack Dylan
From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com Second thing is to put requirements up to get into an advanced workshop. I'm not really sure what constitutes an 'advanced dancer'. But, IMHO, to become one requires a lot of private lessons. After that, is there really any point in

[Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-06-29 Thread Brick Robbins
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:50:38 Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net wrote The Argentines only use about seven figures to dance. That was a wake up call when I visited BA. I really find these grand generalizations amusing. The young Argentinians I see dancing in Milonga10 or El Yeite Tango Club use

Re: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-06-29 Thread Jack Dylan
From: Brick Robbins br...@brickrobbins.com On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:50:38  Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net wrote The Argentines only use about seven figures to dance. That was a wake up call when I visited BA. Brick replied:   The young Argentinians I see dancing in Milonga10 or El

[Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-06-28 Thread Lois Donnay
There are some in every community... People who have been taking tango lessons for 2 years - 3 years - 4, 5, or even more. But they still don't get it. They can't do much, because their basics are so bad. Poor walking, posture, timing, arm leading, watching their feet. Often caused by poor

[Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-06-28 Thread David
lessons to the needy To: Tango-L tango-l@mit.edu There are some in every community... People who have been taking tango lessons for 2 years - 3 years - 4, 5, or even more. But they still don't get it. They can't do much, because their basics are so bad. Poor walking, posture, timing, arm leading

[Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-06-28 Thread Michael
Lois: Part of dancing well is having awareness. Your community did that man a great favor by opening his eyes even though ignorance is bliss. To paraphrase Colonel Nathan Jessep in the movie A Few Good Men, He couldn't handle the truth. How he dealt with the revelation is his problem. There's

[Tango-L] Getting tango lessons to the needy

2011-06-28 Thread David
suspect if women won't dance with them, they'll soon find a new hobby or venue (like the man in Lois' post, who was never seen again). My two cents (if it's even worth that). David From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net Subject: [Tango-L] Getting tango lessons