Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-29 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, steve pastor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: steve pastor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching To: Tango-L Tango-L@mit.edu Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:24 PM My point is that when women have the bodywork and technique

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Jack Dylan
Trini,   I know exactly what you're talking about and maybe I'm too cynical but I don't think the guys who dance with women who don't take classes are looking for feedback on their tango. I suspect their motives lie elsewhere. o_O If a man is really interested in tango, he's going to dance with

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Jack Dylan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about and maybe I'm too cynical but I don't think the guys who dance with women who don't take classes are looking for feedback on their tango. I suspect their motives lie elsewhere. o_O Oh, no.

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Astrid
Jack Dylan wrote: If a man is really interested in tango, he's going to dance with women who are interested enough to take some classes and are actually learning how to dance properly and are not just stumbling around while hanging on to a man's neck. But, like I say, maybe I'm just too

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Niki Papapetrou
from my own personal experience, I stopped taking classes in my home town because the classes were all about STEPS ('put your left leg here, and then your right leg there...' ) I could just as easily practice technique in a milonga or in my own living room, without the 'pleasure ' of being

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Astrid
The idea is to find an instructor who is able to teach you what you need to know. Tango is not really about where you put your legs, the lead comes first, the legs follow that. Niki Papapetrou wrote: from my own personal experience, I stopped taking classes in my home town because the

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Niki Papapetrou
exactly On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Astrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is to find an instructor who is able to teach you what you need to know. Tango is not really about where you put your legs, the lead comes first, the legs follow that. Niki Papapetrou wrote: from my own

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Bruce Stephens
Trini y Sean (PATangoS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] But the newer women still don't go. They think that because they know some steps, they don't need to take the lessons where they can really work on their technique. Maybe they don't need to go to classes/lessons. Maybe they're already

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching To: Tango-L Tango-L@mit.edu Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 1:15 PM Trini y Sean (PATangoS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] But the newer women still don't go. They think that because they know some

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread steve pastor
My point is that when women have the bodywork and technique, then they can be lead into a colgada or volcada without having been taught the step.  However, getting to that point requires a lot of work   I am / was very sure that this was true regarding cose embrace / apilado. Now, as I watch

[Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-28 Thread Joe Grohens
What people think of as nuevo isn't really entirely new. Perhaps we should some up with a term other than nuevo like post-nuevo (sort of like modern architecture was in the 1940's and then came post-modern). They movement vocabulary associated with tango nuevo dancing is not really new

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-27 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Jack Dylan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Dylan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching To: Tango-L Tango-L@mit.edu Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:28 PM Trini, Very true. When a lady is tipped into a Vocada, she needs

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-27 Thread Jack Dylan
Oh yeah, I recognise that. I know some intermediate guys that teach their own partner and they actually look quite good together. The problem comes when the girl tries to dance with somebody else and she has no idea what  the man wants her to do because she can't recognise a 'familiar pattern'.

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching

2008-07-27 Thread Jay Rabe
Another reason why it's important for women to keep a strong core when doing volcadas is that leaning with a sway back puts a lot of strain on the lower back muscles and can injure them. J _ Keep your kids safer online