Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread HBBOOGIE1
For those of you that don’t seem to be able to separate salon tango from performance tango here are two videos that clearly show the difference. The first video is Orlando Paiva dancing at Sunderland. Orlando was the master of smooth elegant tango. Balance, axis, timing and connection. The

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Gordon Erlebacher
of the current generation. The older generation execute man variations on a small number of fundamental steps, thus leading to elegance, and continuity. Gordon - Original Message - From: hbboog...@aol.com Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010 10:30 am Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Jack Dylan
I agree with all that you say. But the point is that almost no one dances or teaches the style of Orlando Paiva anymore. The dance of Murat and Michelle, on the other hand, is the style that is danced by many of today's teachers who describe their style as 'Salon'. You're correct ... It’s

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Gordon Erlebacher
I agree Jack, that almost no one teaches the style of Orlando Paiva anymore, except his sun Orlando Jr. perhaps. However, that style is a very particular type of Salon. I would place the following teachers in the same category: Javier Rodriguez, Jorge Dispari, Mimi Santapa, Ney Melo. While

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
I propose a different way of classifying salon or show tango - looking at what the woman is doing.  Is she the one being shown off?  Are her ornaments dominating the dance?  I know when I perform, my ornaments are bigger.  My partner allows me to make them bigger or encourages it.  When I'm

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Charles Roques
I agree with all that you say. But the point is that almost no one dances or teaches the style of Orlando Paiva anymore. Not true. I do and have for years, as also do others outside of Argentina. Admittedly and sadly in a minority nowadays but it depends on which circle you travel in. That

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread HBBOOGIE1
Charles Another thing I see is a lack of conviction when it comes to learning tango. They think they can watch you tube or take a group class from a second rate self-proclaimed wannabe “tango teacher” and 10 minutes later hit the floor and bust a move. That’s tango today quick and easy no

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Jack Dylan
From: Charles Roques c.roq...@mchsi.com I agree with all that you say. But the point is that almost no one dances or teaches the style of Orlando Paiva anymore. Not true.  I do and have for years, as also do others outside of Argentina.  That's my point. To me, Tango is what is

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Gordon Erlebacher
The fact is that before 1980, most people in Bs.As. danced the elegant tango Salon style, although the Milonguero style was danced as well in packed milongas. However, it is unlikely the milongas were as well attended as they are now. The style of Todaro, Mingo Pugliese, Julio Balmaceda and

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Charles Roques
Tango in Bs.As. takes a wide variety of form. For those who know (I do not), how was tango danced in Bs.As. before the arrival of Susanna Miller, who popularized the so-called frontal style (frontal contact), suitable for crowded milongas? It was danced close just as it always was. Susanna

Re: [Tango-L] Type-A Tango Salon or Show ?

2010-12-25 Thread Jack Dylan
From: Charles Roques c.roq...@mchsi.com Susanna MIller is given far too much credit for something she didn't do.  People were dancing that way long before she supposedly popularized it.  Personally, I think Susana Miller deserves all the credit she receives. Of course, she didn't invent