Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-23 Thread Robert Ramsey-Turner
-Original Message- From: tango-l-boun...@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-boun...@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Shahrukh Merchant Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 11:19 p.m. To: tango-l@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace meaning of life kushi_bu...@hotmail.com asks: have you all ever

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-22 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
dance well in open-embrace. It doesn't mean that there's a fear of close embrace. Even if it does, so what? Let them dance open. Trini de Pittsburgh --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Jeff j...@jqhome.net wrote: From: Jeff j...@jqhome.net Subject: Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace To: tango-l

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-21 Thread Tine Herreman
I don't know where you guys live that you see only performance teachers. Basics are plentiful here in NYC. Just this month we have Maria Olivera Gustavo Saba, Maxi Gluzman. Melina and Detlef pass through now and then, how basic can you get hehe. We have Robin Thomas who travels, and many others

[Tango-L] The fear of close embrace

2010-09-21 Thread Mario
  Here in Mexico, a second grade school teacher was telling me about her day in class, today.   One of her observations of her new class is that she cannot hug the six children from the USA goodbye   because they act like she is infecting them and they even run away, whereas the Mexican

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-21 Thread Jeff
On 09/17/2010 08:38 AM, macfro...@aol.com wrote: The tango embrace is the same as the embrace of someone you love, even though you may not know or care about the person. It is the dance position. In my experience as a tango dancer and teacher, many foreign dancers, especially those from

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-21 Thread Steve Littler
I would agree this is very correct. I would also add that in addition to the possibility of emotional fear that beginners may have, there is also the fear of getting stepped on by the man or stepping on the man by the beginner who is untrained in Close Embrace. Trained leaders who respect

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-20 Thread Steve Littler
On 9/20/2010 1:53 AM, Jack Dylan wrote: I've been to Buenos Aires where pretty much all the ladies in the milongas drape their left arm around the man's shoulders. Same for me. For social dancing, this where I prefer the ladies left arm:

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-20 Thread Vince Bagusauskas
Yes but would they rather be dancing with their own age group or not? My experience is that the men have more of an issue with this than the women: they prefer to dance and socialize with their own age group. Vince In Melbourne -Original Message- You should come to Buenos Aires and

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-20 Thread Shahrukh Merchant
In response to my statement: You should come to Buenos Aires and watch the glow on the faces of the younger females who just got invited to dance by one of the old men milongueros ... Vince Bagusauskas wrote: Yes but would they rather be dancing with their own age group or not? Who? The

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-19 Thread Jack Dylan
In my experience, it's very difficult to find ... traveling teachers who insistently teach solid, clean basics. That's because most {all?] traveling teachers are also performers and they don't dance social tango. And what's more basic than the embrace? I've been to Buenos Aires where pretty

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-17 Thread Sergey Kazachenko
Well, if I don't remove my glasses I'll be crashing with everybody, my sight is that bad. And most ladies (at least 20 cm shorter than me) didn't have a problem at all with my hat. Sergey ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-17 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
Your shampoo not working for you?  Try Pantene. :o  I would think wearing a hat would cause one to unconsciously tighten the muscles in the neck, which would inhibit the spiraling of the spine.  It's a subtle but important thing. Trini --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Sergey Kazachenko

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-17 Thread Lois Donnay
What's going on here? I don't understand. Why are people with boundary issues, or those who want to perform or compete, dancing Argentine tango anyway? Aren't there other dances they would prefer? Didn't they find out that tango was not for them at the first lesson? I think much of the blame

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-17 Thread macfroggy
I believe the term close embrace as it relates to tango was coined by a native English speaker to distinguish it from the hold of ballroom. An embrace is an embrace. Do you embrace someone at arm's length in normal life? The tango embrace is the same as the embrace of someone you love,

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-17 Thread Michael
-l tango-l@mit.edu Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace Your shampoo not working for you? Try Pantene. :o I would think wearing a hat would cause one to unconsciously tighten the muscles in the neck, which would inhibit the spiraling

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-17 Thread HBBOOGIE1
: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com To: tango-l tango-l@mit.edu Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace Your shampoo not working for you? Try Pantene. :o I would think wearing a hat would cause one to unconsciously tighten the muscles

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-17 Thread Lois Donnay
This reminds me of the time I (as the milonga organizer) had to tell a man to stop teaching on the floor. He was respectful to me and said No problem - it stops right now That was nice. (Other times men have blamed me and never returned to the milonga.) Then he went right over to my

[Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-16 Thread Mario
Coincedently, this morning I came to the conclusion that it was the fear of the close embrace that was keeping the women in my town gaah gaah over fancy stage steps and avoiding the close embrace dancethis is after some months of observing classes and social dances...at first, I couldnt

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-16 Thread meaning of life
have you all ever considered that some people enjoy dancing a more open embrace? enjoy seeing each others faces as they dance? enjoy sliding their bodies past each other? enjoy the larger figures? enjoy the more dramatic dance permited by a more open embrace? enjoy the athletiscm that a more

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-16 Thread RonTango
- Original Message From: meaning of life kushi_bu...@hotmail.com have you all ever considered that some people enjoy dancing a more open embrace? enjoy seeing each others faces as they dance? enjoy sliding their bodies past each other? enjoy the larger figures? enjoy the more

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-16 Thread NANCY
- Original Message From: meaning of life kushi_bu...@hotmail.com have you ever considered that some people feel mauled and  threatened (especially good looking females) by the pack of wolves that descend  on them DEMANDING close embrace dances and belittling their hesitation to

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-16 Thread Alexis Cousein
On 16/09/2010 22:46, RonTango wrote: [I can understand why you wanted to comment on the other poster, who could be read to imply that *all* the qualities he ascribed to open embrace somehow were inaccessible to people with different styles, but I can't let the pendulum swing entirely back to the

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-16 Thread Sandhill Crane
--- On Thu, 9/16/10, meaning of life kushi_bu...@hotmail.com wrote: have you all ever considered that some people enjoy dancing a more open embrace? enjoy seeing each others faces as they dance? enjoy sliding their bodies past each other? enjoy the larger figures? enjoy the more dramatic

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

2010-09-16 Thread NANCY
--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Sergey Kazachenko syarz...@gmail.com wrote: Nancy, While I agree with most of your points, I have to ask - what is wrong with HATS? Of course, I mean, when the height difference is large enough so that the hat does not violate the closeness of the abrazo. Sergey May you

[Tango-L] The fear of close embrace

2010-09-13 Thread Michael
Two years ago, I met a woman at a ballroom and Latin dance weekend. She danced very well but not Argentine Tango. We fell out of contact but recently reunited by a mutual friend. She started tango lessons and had reservations about dancing close embrace. That's when it dawned on me that there