Dear tangueros,
Recently I wrote: You accept the dance with a cabeceo and stand up waiting for
the man to come close to your table or walk towards him and meet halfway.
I want to clarify that at the milongas we do not cross the dancing floor. We
always walk following the periphery of the
Chacarera is an Argentine folkloric dance. It is not related to tango.
Probably originated in the North of Argentina, most likely in the province of
Santiago del Estero.It was danced in rural areas, the instruments used were
Violin, Guitar and drum. Chacarero/a is the person that works in
Morning newspaper La nacion has an article about non Argentines winning the
tango championship.
I translated it using a computer translator:
What a night, last night! The community milonguera burns after Fernando Bravo
speaker took the microphone to announce what anyone expected of
The preamble of the Constitution of Argentina states as its purpose to secure
the blessings of liberty to all men of the world who wish to dwell on Argentine
soil.[52] Furthermore, the section 25 of its Constitution states that the
Federal Government shall foster European immigration, and may
I received this note from Deby, an American tango dancer and teacher of tango,
who has lived in Argentina for 7 years.
Sergio, There were MANY errors and lots of
posturing on the part of the lawyer Christian in that article.
The USA Tango Championships are open only to USA residents. I
Deby says: These people complaining are not legal residents. Yet they feel
they
deserve the right to compete when the rules plainly stated you must
either be born an Argentine or hold legal residency. Just like the
rules in the USA.
Michael I think that Deby and you are saying the same
Digital sign language in Argentina is different from that in the USA.
The index finger shown alone (with the other fingers flexed in the hand, the
dorsum towards the addressee the palm side towards the addresser and with an
upward motion, means the same as showing the middle finger in the
Argentine Tango was introduced to Europe in the early 20th century, and later
to North America by wealthy young Argentines that traveled with their families
to study in London, Paris, Rome and Berlin. Those families had homes both in
Argentina and in the European cities.
They danced and
Tango Doble Frente o Al reves is a historical way of dancing .
I personally never saw a couple dancing a whole tango 'Doble frente', it is
used in exhibitions and only for a moment during the Exhibition Tango.
Actually normally the dancer starts a tango, milonga or vals with the usual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orgGazxNz64
When I saw the video posted by Mario: Monica and Julio, the way they dance
reminded me of Alberto Dassieu.
Best regards, Sergio
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He was saying that leading with the chest is a later invention and that old
milongeros used the right hand lead. Anyone else is familiar with that?
Tango has many techniques as it is a complex dance that has many different
styles.
The technique you use depends on the training you had and
Gabriel Misse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQzJCN9hy0c - This is the dancer
that was mentioned in the initial posting on leading with the right hand and
who teaches to lead using that hand. The same as Carlos Copes who was one of
his teachers as a joung boy.
Susana Miller
The Buenos Aires Herald (the English newspaper of B.A.) has a recent article on
Tango singers.
It also mentions women singers and the period when some of them dressed as men
in order to sing.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/30296usg=AFQjCNEg0IrxY9_hFCiR9QoKTNoAFlV9GQ
It is very simple, in any couple or partner dance one leads (the man) an
another one follows (the woman).
In that type of dance there is a masculine and a feminine role. In Argentina
we call the masculine role the man and the feminine role the woman.
When two men practice tango together
looks can be deceiving. Las apariencias engañan.
That is the reason you look normal till people see you trying to learn tango.
Sergio
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Mario says he lives in Mexico and that in Latin America things are different
than in the USA with respect to apartment rental deposit.
He also says I have only very rarely seen these deposits returned in fact I
don't remember ever seeing one returned..what does this mean?? well, you could
Dear Tangueros,
The newspapers and the internet is full of Apartment Rental Scams. This is
fairly common in big cities of the world, mostly affecting tourists.
I found many examples, you can read some of them below.
I have two friends that were scammed of their deposits, one in New York
Jeff says:
Ok, I'll play Devil's Advocate. In many cultures -- including
Anglo-Saxon ones -- respecting personal space is the most basic way to show you
acknowledge that the other person is indeed a person. Crossing into somebody's
personal space without their permission is one of
Ming asks : What are these solid, clean basics? What are the
consequences of not being able to do these basics?
The basics are (in my opinion): Proper posture.Elegance. Tango walk as an
individual. Several forms of tango walk as an individual.
The frame and muscle tone of the embrace.
Huck says: I believe you forgot perhaps the mostimportant basic of all:
Knowing and loving the classic Argentine musicalrepertoire to the point that...
I totally agree I forgot about musicality. To know the music is basic. It is
very important to know where the beat is and that each tango
Laura says: Oh rats! I have to put up with this rude behaviour in Europe, and
now I discover that I will have to put up with it when I visit B.A. since I'll
be a foreigner. Of all the codes, the cabaceo is the one that makes the most
sense to me across cultures. I use it as much as possible,
The winners of The world tango championship (stage style) were Diego Ortega and
Chizuko Kuwamoto. He is Argentinean, 21 years old, has resided in Japan for
the last three years; she 42 years old is Japanese.
They received the first price from the hands of Maria Nieves and Carlos Copes,
Nick says: Women will put up with a fair bit in order to get a dance,
whether that be arrogance or mediocrity or sleaze..
Milonga codes were developed over the years for a reason. Codes are not old
fashioned capricious inventions; they all exist for an important reason.
When you ignore them
1- Cabeceo and other milonga codes are alive and are in use at most milongas in
Buenos Aires. They are not always used at Practicas or in certain specific
milongas.
2- The custom of asking permission to a male companion of a lady to request a
dance from her is always used.
3- Some men may
Clarin Newspaper has an article on the world Tango Championship 8/30/2010.
I enclose a translation done by an electronic translator.
During today and tomorrow, Luna Park will become the headquarters of the end of
the Tango Dance World Championship,
with the presence of 33 couples
World Tango Festival organized by the government of the City of Buenos Aires,
August 13 to August 31.
For the first time Tango Therapy is included in the program. Medical Doctors,
Psychotherapists, Professors and therapists will speak about Tango therapy for
prevention of different
Claiming that just about anything having to do with tango is oneparticular
way in Buenos Aires is ludicrous.
I agree.
To think that anyone, on this tango-list, that has been a member for sometime
and has been dancing tango for a certain period,
in possession more or less of an average
Trina says : Oh, come on. Chasing the opposite sex is what gave popularity to
the tango in the first place. I seriously doubt that the first milongueros were
thinking about art as they were practicing with each other.
As you know tango developed in Bar/brothels in the periphery of both
Dear Nicetune,
It seems to me that the lady was getting ready to hear other
tunes... and that fateful milonga gave her the chance to do so.
Sergio
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As we were discussing before there are tangos with singers only for listening
and tangos with singers for dancing, and a times for both listening at the
beginning and then for dancing.
Tangos for listening. The vocalist sings the whole tango.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxs0--0BMp0
The link to this 60 minutes about Finland and tango is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxZoV3t61c
Sergio
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John Ward compares Argentine customs to those in Europe and says: Here it
would be considered rude to ignore your partner's friends, or your friend's
partner.
There are at least two very important reasons for this to be different in
Argentine tango:
1- For a tango to be successful it has
Sandhill Crane says:
From a North American perspective, even if a woman arriveswith a
man, she can still decide for herself who she wantsto dance with. To assume
that a woman who arrives with a manis off-limits to everyone else, is similar
to assuming thatshe is his property,
I found a video on this subject from a program on Television 60 Minutes.
Some of you may find it interesting:
http://sn115w.snt115.mail.live.com/default.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0
Sergio
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Hola Rubén:
Si soy argentino.Cuando envío mis notas a tango-L la dirección
que utilizo es tang...@mit.edu.
Probá a usarla, mandá un E-mail a esa dirección a ver que pasa.
Si podés envia el link para Finnish tango, yo ya envie tres mensajes hoy y creo
que es el máximo
Sergey asks: Speaking of Facundo, is there a name to the step he does at
about 1:48into this video while leading his partner into ochos
adelante?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH36j6v5qPg;.
Facundo leads a few front ochos while he combines low boleos with low amagues.
Best regards,
Sergei
Boleos have no stipulated speed, they are done according to the mood or speed
of the music, they may be fast or slow.
There are low, mid and high boleos (back flicks). There are low, mid and high
amagues (front flicks).
Everything done in tango has a name, including all the
Clarin Newspaper from today has an interesting article on how Tango is used in
therapy of different conditions.
Here you have a translation of the same done with the google translator.
Tango: listening to the music and dancing is used in many institutions all over
the world to improve
Does anyone know what type of harmonica was played by Hugo Diaz?
Somebody told me once that it was a Hohner Harmonica.
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Dear friends,
What you learn as basic depends on what tango style you are learning.
If you are learning Social dancing, then you learn how to walk in the
milonguero style. You walk in many different ways. In front of the woman,
inside, outside, intercalating double timing, etc.
rcgimi what you saw is called Pole Dancing. This has nothing to do with tango.
If you wish to do it I can teach you those basic moves in three weeeks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWxcVyBRecE
Another example of Pole Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RlKXdFDktsfeature=related
I think that for many people taste for tango music is and acquired taste. It
does not matter if you are Argentine or not.
The same happens with respect to other types of music, classical music, operas,
Lawrence Welk vs. Hevy Metal, Rapp, etc.
Sometimes this taste seems to be related to
Illusion
Psychology. a perception, as of visual stimuli (optical illusion), that
represents what is perceived in a way different from the way it is in reality.
something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of
reality.
Reality
Philosophy.
a.something that exists
Dear friends,
I was listening to Hugo del Carril singing the vals Me beso y se fue - (She
kissed me and left).
Lyrics and Music by Jose Canet. I have always liked this vals so I decided to
shared it with you.
I offer a modest translation of its beautiful lyrics.
Los
extranjeros nunca van a entender el significado verdadero del tango. Se
trata del
abrazo, la coneccion con tu pareja y la musica. Nada mas.
An absurd generalization, I agree. To say that is equivalent to saying that
non-Italians cannot understand opera or non Americans cannot
Is it true that most of the names for decorations and figures were invented or
coined for the consumption of foreign students? I notice that some of the
naming conventions in the US are different from other places.
Is the language of export Tango changing with the 'export' styles?J 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUku3hXjIvI
Here we have Home Ladas dancing a tango: he starts stepping on every third or
fourth beat, then he does some runs (corridas) where he steps on every beat,
at times he walks double time always on the beat and during som periods he
returns to walk
The prior discussion centered on teaching beginners to step on the tango beat.
Some posters felt that it is possible to dance stepping off the beat.
Leaving sarcasms aside, I think that that concept could have some validity and
originate confusion as well.
When we become good tango
Sometimes we do not communicate well but we mean the same . Here some examples
to study.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgF-2P1XPwkfeature=related
Here La Maleva starts stepping with the melody because the beat is very weak
but when the beat becomes stronger she steps always on a beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41HTWpSgsoMfeature=related
American tango beat: Ta-ta ta ta ta-tatata Dance as
slow-slow-quick-quick-slow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnstd90XVT0feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxi7WFlQAf0feature=related
Argentine tango
IMO - Most Argentines like Alberto explains with respect to Carmencita Calderon
only talk about Tango Salon, (the one danced socially) and Tango de Escenario
(the one on stage).
http://www.todotango.com/english/creadores/ccalderon.asp
Carmencita Calderon born in 1905, died in 2005. She was
Don Klein says: Howard Goodall demonstrates that in Latin music derived from
the Cuban /son /the melody and bass-line anticipate the beat (my pareja judges
a 1/8-1/16). So, assuming Argentine tango music shares this characteristic,
dancing to the melody would clearly be off-beat.
These
Not to argue, Sergio, but more interesting to me than nuevo, nuevo, nuevo.
John said.
I fail to see what Nuevo has to do with anything I said.
Amenabar lives and works in Buenos Aires too Sergio, John Said.
Amenabar is primarily a musician and a bandoneon player, who also dances
I am Argentine, I grew up in Villa Urquiza (a neighborhood famous for its tango
clubs).
I have known most of the great tango teachers and dancers of my time; I never
heard any one once to talk about the 8 or the 4 musical phrase or of any count
of any type.
You have to recognize where the
I'm personally a firm believer in the 8CB for a number of reasons and I’m glad
to see the real tango teachers of Buenos Aires agree with me. says hbboogie.
Yes most teachers in Buenos Aires start teaching the 8 count base.
But at the same time the students are taught how to avoid repeating
Tete was 80 years old. Pedro Tete Rusconi was one of the great dancers of the
last 30 years.
He had a unique style, very personal, that he tried to teach.
He went dancing to El Beso last night and was found dead in bed this morning.
It is a great loss and we are all going to miss him.
¨The Argentine government begins charging Americans an
ENTRY fee into the country. Americans already have to pay to
leave the country. Now you have to pay to enter. This is the
epitome of the expression getting you coming and going.¨
The fee you pay at the airport when you leave is the
Roger says, I often marvel at the fact that a high level government employee ,
medical doctor or artist allow themselves to be pushed around by a gardener or
motor mechanic or housecleaner on the dance floor, but then tango doesn't
equate very well with status in real life.
It always marvels
Vince asked me to send to the list my note sent to him by private mail.
Vince, In first place I wish to let you know I do not hold any grudge against
you, or at least with good Tanguero spirit I do my best not to hold a grudge.
Traditional tango is the most complete style, one could say
Jack Dylan says : I live in an Asian city so I'm not far from you. Couldn't
find an actual milonga on YouTube but this is a group of local teachers so
it'll give you some idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D01fr8UN0NQ;
I do not see any problems with form of dancing. They are elegant,
Vince shows the following:
A couple of real milongas in Seoul, that incorporate a few nuevo moves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKgvdEMt2ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vOIKrjWHGI
Many of the coupless would not be tagged as doing salon or millonguero style.
A Seoul milonga that was
Today is the day of The Cafe de Buenos Aires.
The Cafe is an institution and a tradition in the life of Buenos Aires, a
place where you can go to have a cup of coffe, meet a friend, read, and see
intellectuals, politicians and artists.
Going into the Tortoni to have a cup of coffee, to meet
Page 31 - Frederic Megret - Mc Gill University -
Los códigos milongueros forman parte de la cultura tanguera. Y si continúa
el proceso de licuación de las convenciones que dan encanto y marco al baile,
estaremos mutilando un legado del cual muchos argentinos estamos orgullosos .
Steve suggested that a good translation could be obtained using the Google
translator so I went and tried to use it.
Translation: French »Français
Co ents is dangerous
The ion in erdic or e classemen the case of the reverse as a maneuver
dangerous, as in erdic ion groin certain figures
La Piste (The dancing floor) page 19.
For instance, the rule that stipulates that one should dance counter clock wise
(which undoubtedly expresses a metaphoric wish to resist the pass of time till
late at night) is equivalent to the rule that one should drive on the right
side of a road.
Dear friends this work on Milonga codes written in French by Frederic Megret
Mc Gill University, has over 35 pages. I translated page 12 that refers to the
subject we were disussing.
When I finish reading the original I might add to this initial translation.
Requirement for a certain
I just found something about Cortinas their origin which I wrote in 2001.
From: SERGIO [ser...@ncinter.net]
Sent: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2001 06:27
To: TANGO-L
Cc: SERGIO
Subject: Origin of La Cortina Tener la lata
I was saying before in reference to Argentine Tango:
...It also could
Reading the different posts on this subject...
It seems that is clear that traditional tango dancers are happy with their
milongas, if they ever go to another milonga they adjust to the rules and
characteristics of that place and do not disturb anyone.
Many Nuevo dancers have their own
The title of this thread is correct and descriptive.
It is very simple, when the floor is crowded, it does not matter what tango
style you dance you have to keep your dancing very compact,adjust to the
circumstances, follow the line of dancing and, above all, you should not
disturb the
Romero always brings interesting tango historical elements, at this time he
brings memories of the book on how to teach tango by Nicanor Lima published in
1916 with which I am familiar.
Mr. Lima says that you can use the Tango Choreography, steps or figures to
dance to different types of
Initially,tango was written like the milonga in 2x4. This lasted till
approximately 1915.
El Porteñito - El esquinazo - are examples of early tangos written in 2x4. They
are upbeat, happy, fast.
Tango Music has several periods 1895 -1917 is known as La guardia vieja, it
is a period of
Joe you say: I am not aware of very many new tangos (that are really tangos
and not tango-rock fusion or offshoots of piazzolla) being written at all.
I entirely agree, what i meant is that there is no other notation than 4x4 up
to the present time.
Tango music is associated so musch with
I went to check the scores of many tangos, it looks that all the tangos before
1915 were written in 2x4 the same as the milongas. Aftterwards tangos were
written in 4x4 or 4x8 but many in 2x4 as well.
4x8 Que falta que me haces - Musician Armando Pointier
2x4 Malvon - written in 1944 by
Dear Jan you say It is a beautiful tango
I did not express an opinion in reference to the beauty of the dance, this is a
matter of personal taste. I did like it as well. I think that everybody should
dance any way they like to do it, I just tried to clarify to Jack that the
confusion comes
Aron you say: When we are debating about nuevo, I don't say you should not
dance the way you want. I say exactly the opposite: LET everyone decide how
s/he wants to dance (decision is not between styles you predefined, it is a
free choice of what and how to include).
Character is the
Jack you ask what is this?, I am confused
I do not know what it is, but I know what it is not. It is not Argentine Tango
or any other form of tango known to me.
The music is not tango, the character of the dance is not tango, there are
moves of the upper body or the hips more related
Valentin says : The tango today (with some, fortunately not all, discussions
in Tango-L) follows the development of the chritian religion - from Jerusalem
to Rome (and all the heretics and also all the saints...) and than the Eastern
Orthodox..., and the protestants... and the churches un
Style
a particular kind, sort, or type, as with reference to form, appearance, or
character: the baroque style; The style of the house was too austere for their
liking.
a particular, distinctive, or characteristic mode or form of construction or
execution in any art or work: Her painting is
Jack you say You can intellectualize it any way you want but there have been
thousands of posts on Tango-L covering the subject of these 3 'styles' of
dancing Tango. Is everybody wrong?
No, Jack everybody is not wrong, just few people are.
There are those that (in the mid 90s.) when I
Ecsedy you say Because the dance is, erroneously, called Tango Argentino
outside LatinAmerica,
1 - *** No error there (IMO) Tango Argentino is different from the other styles
that were created outside of Argentina (Uruguay) (Ballroom tango,
(A variation of International tango), International
Aron you say I believe that 'nuevo' became a term that doesn't describe a form
of dancing. It doesn't really mean any type or style of dancing that could be
identified without doubt just by looking.
*** Nuevo is a distinct tango style and easily identified by looking.
Dear friends,
The World Tango Competition in Buenos Aires finished last week.
The first place in Salon Style (social dancing) went to a Japanese couple,
Hiroshi and Kyoko Yamao.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRrBU0ErKDg
Notice that the tango style used in all the
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Ron asks to Bettina : OK, be specific. In what milongas is Piazzolla played
for dancing tango and who are the DJs playing it? I have NEVER heard Piazzolla
played at a milonga in Buenos Aires. Maybe I'm going to the wrong milongas!!
Ron sit down to wait for the answer as it may take a
Bettina not long ago you started a discussion by saying among other things:
We may be afraid tango loses its essence ifwe don't think of it so much as
Argentine (like the Nuevo talk) butrather a universal quality, who knows what
comes of it, in terms ofart, expansion, evolution . . . yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFZeQ7Us88s
Here Gustavo Naveira, adjusts to the music and mostly dances Traditional Tango
Style. Indio Manso - Carlos di Sarli.
When you are a good dancer and know several tango styles you adjust your
dancing to the available space, the music, your partner,
Bettina says:
1 - I wholeheartedly agree - first of all - there is noone here in BsASthat
ratifies, second, Tango is - like all in Life - subject toconstant evoluton,
third, Tango IS not just Argentine, but danced allover the world - like it or
not - agree or not -it is reality -
***Should
Example of Fado, it impresses me for its beauty, its expressivity and mostly
because of its sadness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejaUUBqtr0
Fado by Amalia Rodrigues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSeiivkzATsfeature=related
Rembetika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPUSMgY10ws
I searched in Clarin newspaper news from 8/2008 to 8/12/2009.
I did not find any news about roberto Herrera.
Sergio
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Bettina says:
Finally - as food for thought - I personally do ask why everyonethinks it is
Argentine : much of the music
originates of the Black culture that was imported slave labor there at the
time (rhythm),the bandoneon came from Germany (that much for the soul of a
germanthat
Around 1880, Gauchos (cowboys) that normally brought cattle to Buenos aires
started to settle around the city.
They brought with them, their payadas and Milongas Camperas to the suburbs of
the city.
Here they interacted with African slaves that had their own dances called
Candombes.
The word mulonga (like its plural, milonga ) is a term of quimbunda origin, of
the language spoken by the Angolan slaves, that means word. So Mulonga means
word and Milonga means words or palabrerio many words.
Gauchos used to gather and organize Payadas, a contrapunto in which two
singers
The Urban Milonga (Milonga Porteña) was created by Sebastian Piana and his
brother in law, Pedro Maffia.
Sebastian Piana was asked to compose a milonga by the famous singer Rosita
Quiroga. He thought that the Milonga Campera music was rather monotonous in
order to allow the singers to
Sergei says Funny how an Argentinian gaucho dance resembles the Caucasian
lezginka (for example, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL5LuAZ6ebw ) so
much.
I personally think that the music and the dance in Lezginka and Malambo are
obviously different although I have to agree that there
The malambo was born in the loneliness of the plain around 1600. Among our
dances, it is an exception because it does not have lyrics, the music of the
guitars accompany this dance that only men perform. The dancer shows off with
the tap dancing, the cepillada (brushing) (to graze the floor
Those that would like more information about malambo, and read about the
difference between the northern and southern forms of the dance can see a web
page sent to me by a friend. (Susan).
http://www.travelsur.net/argentinamusic/malambo.html
I will tell you another secret, that
proves my above statement - every single step in tango is part of a
giro, either clockwise or counterclockwise.
But, suppose we're walking directly in-line in parallel feet - are the lady's
backward steps back crosses or open steps - and which is which
Connection in Argentine Tango (IMO) is dual, physical and spiritual.
The physical connection develops and improves as you learn the rich and
intricate technique of the dance.
The better your technique, the better your posture, the more precise your
movements and placement of your feet, as
Burak says For me, Social Tango is very personal, it's neither genetically
inherited nor studied in academic institutions,and it's immigrant culture, so
it can infiltrate into different cultures.
I entirely agree with Burak, social tango is personal, every dancer develops
his own style
I have asked Argentine ladies that I consider to be excellent tango dancers
their opinion on this matter.
-Who dance better Argentine men or foreign men?-
They replied that foreign men seem to have a lot of technique but that
Argentine men have better musicality and feeling for the music.
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