On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 08:59:50PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote:
The origin of this behaviour that is present in most Windows based
editors that may have reason to use is pretty much besides the point.
The reality is that if you are developing an application for Windows
users then you are
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 03:58:23AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
Ah, seems I touched a nerve ;-)
Nerve, no. Stabbed the spinal cord? Yes.
Currently, for mail, I use the inbuilt Eudora one. But no, I wouldn't mind
using Notepad as an editor, but I sure as hell don't want to need to invoke
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:21:01AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
Is it now.
Yes, it has been explained to you several times.
I have been on the net for six years and nobody ever told me that they were
aggreviated by the fact that I use a proportional font to compose in and
read my and
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:29:33AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
At 20:15 16-09-2000 -0500, A. Curtis Martin kindly wrote:
SL Exactly, there isn't a standard, at least not for the more advanced
SL features of an editor.
She hasn't really touched on any advanced features as such.
I
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:41:42AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
'Cept that I don;'t always read on the spot, and then new massages get added
to old (unread) messages. That's where new and old start getting diffuse. I
don;t want that. I want my mailer to say that I've recieved do many here and
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 10:25:46AM +0100, Tony Boom wrote:
Stick with it and like Mark, myself and many others, I'm sure you'll
come to love it.
Wow, that's what, the 5th one now? Sheesh. Hello, I stick with it and
after 18 months I still hate it. Some people just don't like the
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:22:29PM +0100, Tony Boom wrote:
SL Hello, I stick with it and after 18 months I still hate it.
So can we assume you won't be buying the company?
You never know. If that is the only way to get that lame-duck feature
removed I might just do that.
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On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 10:52:07AM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote:
S Most likely because you weren't trying to do anything more advanced
S set up a lunch date.
FvV You are very wrong here (and very arrogant too! (why?))
moderator hat on
I have to agree with you here Fred. One of the
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 12:29:40AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
1. If you move your cursor down in the window in which you are editing your
mail (e.g. move it down to the next empty line), it goes down but stays in
the same column (read: horizontal axis) and doesn't go to the beginning of
the
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:36:13AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
1. Why does my reply to Januk gets garbled in the Subject line and suddenly
gets "Re[2]: etc" instead of your standard "Re: etc"?
TB! loves to count replies for some reason. You can turn that off in the
templates. The exact
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:56:33AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
Ah, but I don't like pitcvhed fomts to begin with. And as I told Jurek: it
feels as if somebdy is hammering it in. You _will_ have fixed fomts and even
if you find your way around them. we will still make your message editor act
On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 08:15:58PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote:
This is another thing that I have been indicating to you. In windows,
the basic behaviour of most editors is really standard. This is why
TB!'s editor is a real 'culture shocker' for those who are used to using
different
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Tuesday, September 12, 2000, 1:34:40 PM, A wrote:
OTOH, most RE experts claim that you'll find uses for RE's that you
never imagined would be relevant to your situation and work, once you
learn how to use them.
While others will point out
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Wednesday, September 13, 2000, 2:16:56 AM, Markus wrote:
You may hit me, but in certain way even MS Word knows REs in Search
and Replace.
Somehow I doubt that if I told Word to do something like the following in
vim it would know what to do or
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Wednesday, September 13, 2000, 12:35:06 PM, Peter wrote:
one, i'm just used to it). And yes, i'm eagerly awaiting the
possibility to use Emacs as an external editor from within TB! ...
Never understood the drive to use Emacs as an external
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 4:02:36 AM, Tony wrote:
SL They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Any reason why your not using either of them?
What makes you think I'm not using one of them?
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 4:43:49 AM, Tony wrote:
http://www.incredimail.com/english/index.html
Thanks, I'm going to have to go home sick now.
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 7:50:31 AM, Dierk wrote:
I gather that in not too long a time someone wants to have Flash
e-mail. Or whatever multimedia "standard" will come ;-).
On the PMMail list we're having almost an identical discussion. I
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Tuesday, September 12, 2000, 1:48:02 PM, Nick wrote:
Do you know any other applications, as an example, that you can use
regular expressions with? I've never fell across them before TB! and
was wondering if it's just a case of tunnel vision on my
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 11:21:25 AM, Jason wrote:
My question is, can TB do this work for me with a regexp? The number
AFAIK, no. Regexp is pattern matching and string replacement but does not
have such capabilities.
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 11:24:31 AM, Jason wrote:
Why does signing a message in TB with PGP mess up lines with hyphens?
Just look at what it does to my signature. It's not _supposed_ to look
like that. Is this a PGP thing in general or
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 11:33:27 AM, Peter wrote:
SL What makes you think I'm not using one of them?
The mail that Tony replied to was written (according to the X-Mailer
header) with "Mutt/1.2.5i"
Right. Is it now mandated that one
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 11:30:25 AM, Peter wrote:
and found TB! for mail. I've not bothered again to try newer versions
of gnus, i like the GUI of TB! (or many parts of it, there is always
room for improvements)
Agreed. ;)
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 05:54:55PM +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
attachment. Thus you can attach a prepared HTML file to an email an
and in that way send an "HTML mail". I don't want to get into an
argument about OE and Poco and all of the others that "let you do it
properly".
On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:22:21AM +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
My main argument is always the waste of bandwidth (and that I find
emails with different fonts and colours offensive or just plain ugly,
but that's certainly a matter of taste). What other reasons are there?
There is no
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 12:55:09PM -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:
And why shouldnt email be presentable?
Email /is/ presentable. It doesn't need HTML for that.
What is it about HTML that scares people so much.
The fact there is no standard for displaying it, what standard
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:02:57PM -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:
Who says? Who is the leading authority on what email needs or doesn't
need?
Indeed. So why are you saying that it needs HTML?
True .. there is no 'definitive' standard. But 99% of HTML (not
dhtml, xhtml etc) is
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:26:33PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote:
SL has better sorting
What is better?
That is not enough context to go by.
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 05:59:22PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote:
cough PMMail as a straightforward multi-account e-mail system is
comparable. Once you start moving to advanced features, PMMail in
general becomes a shadow of TB!. I used PMMail for a longer time than
I've been using TB!. :-)
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:03:20PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
What sorting functions or operations does it do better?
The layout and accessability is generally better in PMMail. With TB! the
configuration of filters is quite cryptic. With PMMial it is straightforward
in basic mode and quite
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:36:12PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
I'd have to agree there, although good help files and examples could
have answered many of the questions I had.
Even with help I'm afraid the filtering is just poorly laid out.
SL limited scripting capabilities in advanced
SL
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 06:36:23PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote:
You're asking me to put aside, perhaps, the single most significant
reason why I use TB! over PMMail. I cannot just put it aside like that
and continue the argument. :-)
That's the point. You use templates extensively, I
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Thursday, September 07, 2000, 8:16:18 AM, Marek wrote:
Hello all,
Thursday, September 07, 2000, Cameleon wrote:
We can setup a macro for "sign when completed". But can we say in
the template with WHICH key we want sign, assuming there
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Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 9:18:18 AM, Christian wrote:
Btw, if you like I can send you some of my love letters. If you've seen one
you have seen them all anyway.. ;)
Please, darling, next time more duct tape on the hamster and 10W-40 would
be
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How does one get TB! to set itself as default mail client without going
through the install?
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Monday, August 14, 2000, 11:08:06 AM, Dierk wrote:
BTW, my browser is Opera and what I don't like about the latest
version is it's integrating of features which are not - repeat *not* -
really integral to a browser, i.e. news and mail facilities.
am getting through to
my inbox. That was over several years of using that system on PMMail on an
account that was spammed heavily and on which I got in excess of 500 messages
per day.
Frankly, this should be a FAQ.
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From: Steve Lamb [EMAIL
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Saturday, August 12, 2000, 2:21:28 AM, Marck wrote:
Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).
'Grats. I can think of none better.
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 11:24:23 PM, Graham wrote:
Any idea where I can get vim? I like Editpad for a number of reasons, but I
want an editor I can use with other applications and The Bat! I'd like to
look at vim
www.vim.org
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 11:43:19 PM, Oleg wrote:
It doesn't remain in memory -- it is dumped to swapfile and next time
I will need it it will be ready a bit faster than if started again. It
will be an economy of my time if I use it frequently.
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 11:43:19 PM, Oleg wrote:
It doesn't remain in memory -- it is dumped to swapfile and next time
I will need it it will be ready a bit faster than if started again. It
will be an economy of my time if I use it frequently.
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Friday, August 11, 2000, 3:40:39 AM, Soth wrote:
Then why were you so eager to term it "another notepad wannabe"?
Because most, if not all, ASCII editors on Windows aren't much above that
level. I've taken a look at UltraEdit and wasn't
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Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 4:50:14 PM, starc wrote:
My question is, why don´t we create a newsgroup
Because newsgroups are very open and hard to control. They are also very
easy to harvest email addresses from.
forum in a www-page for
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Friday, August 11, 2000, 5:03:19 AM, Soth wrote:
I don't believe that's a justifiable claim.
Oh, it is more than justifiable. I downloaded it and boy did the problems
come flooding in. First off, default colors were completely unacceptable.
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Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 6:37:07 PM, starc wrote:
And...by the way...new people are sometimes better enabled to see
things that are wrong...cuz the older users are already familiar with
it, they got used to the system and to those things
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Ooook, maybe I wrote the last message wrong.
Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 7:56:40 PM, starc wrote:
Hmm...sorry..but u r the one writing BULLPOO. As I already pointed out
in another email, I never thought that my suggestion was better.
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Friday, August 11, 2000, 12:35:45 PM, Mark wrote:
TIT(This is true). Perhaps the definitive answer to the original
question would be reached if such a discussion group was created.
No.
Then, those that preferred the newsgroup approach could
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Friday, August 11, 2000, 7:07:35 AM, Tom wrote:
Steve's posts amuse me these days. He tries so hard to be offensive,
I find it hard not to laugh.
Actually, I don't try to be offensive at all. I am what I am and have
long since grown tired of
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Friday, August 11, 2000, 3:28:48 PM, Peter wrote:
Syafrils server and is using MDaemon as the list server software. I
don't know how MDaemon compares to Listar (if there is anybody willing
to point out the differences, move to tbot, I would be
On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 08:37:54PM -0500, Curtis wrote:
SL Why would anyone use an MDI editor in the first place? It offers
SL only limitations over SDI editors.
Not editors that offer both MDI and SDI options.
Anyway, that's a strawman argument there. You're deviating again into an
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 2:43:00 AM, Oleg wrote:
SL use are a little more advaced than the garden variety notepad programmed by a
SL shareware wannabe visual basic programmer?
Because I don't exit my UltraEdit. I just close project with all files
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 7:20:46 AM, Jamie wrote:
So what exactly is better than UltraEdit? In my opinion and it blows
Word and Emacs out of the water.
I've never used it. Why should I when I've had joe and vim?
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 10:51:18 AM, Kenneth wrote:
Ideally there should be a standard editor "server protocol" that all
editors should support so that editor-using clients (like mail
composition programs) need not include an editor but can tie
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 10:58:03 AM, Nick wrote:
One of the nicest little MDI Editors I use is called EditPad. It's
Freeware, and you can take a look at it here:
http://www.jgsoft.com/editpadlite.html
Yikes. How can anyone get any work
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 12:32:09 PM, Kenneth wrote:
First, does it need to be cross-platform? Would one run an email client
and editor on different machines?
TB! will soon be on Linux. The issue isn't what the user will do, but
what the
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 12:32:00 PM, Peter wrote:
The PCRE part of the help file is IMHO one of most complete help
topics, once you've found it. My tip for locating it: open Help, go to
the find tab and enter "regular". Choose the entry "What
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 12:01:08 PM, Nick wrote:
The choice of Editors is all "need" dependant, and EditPad Lite meets my
meager needs perfectly when I want to quickly open or create a small
text file. :o)
I fail to see why one needs to
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 1:58:11 PM, Marck wrote:
No. Only those of us who have a sendmail server between the list
server (which is MDaemon running on a WinNT/2K PC) and the end user
POP server.
It isn't sendmail, it is the
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 2:22:25 PM, Kenneth wrote:
I was thinking that more powerful editors like those you and I use
could implement this as either a core function or in an add-on DLL (.so
for Linux). Stupider editors could rely on a small
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 2:49:48 PM, Kenneth wrote:
Not sure about the latter. How would you tell the difference between a
line that was escaped vs. one that was originally in that form before
sending? The MUA could make an educated guess based
On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 05:49:01PM -0500, Joe Finocchiaro wrote:
Apparently he can't write a message without being sarcastic.
Odd, I've written about a dozen today without sarcasm. Maybe you can't
read my messages without sarcasm?
to one of my posts (no, I don't need nor want his help),
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 7:34:24 PM, Cricket wrote:
There is no need to install PGP. Doesnt TB! have a built in PGP
module? ... under Tools-Privacy-PGP_Version
First of GPG isn't PGP. Secondly the build in version can only deal with
RSA
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 5:08:04 PM, Joe wrote:
Thanks, everyone out there who gave me a lot of help, and there were
quite a few of you!
You're most welcome.
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 9:27:36 PM, Marck wrote:
JA What would be your closest analogy for pasting? Is hitting the paste
JA button the same as typing whatever you copied? Or is it like going to
JA a magazine and physically ripping out the page
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 10:48:21 PM, Curtis wrote:
machine as we speak for cripes sake. I know exactly what you're both
referring to. Just what is your problem Steve??!!
My problem is most people get it wrong. There is no problems with the
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 10:53:37 PM, Curtis wrote:
We aren't being critical of PMMails method. We are defending TB!'s
method. There's a difference there you know.
Right.
PMMail correct.
TB! incorrect.
Reasons given months ago.
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 10:55:04 PM, Marc wrote:
Just a quick questions.. what does MDI stand for? (I know what it is,
being a longtime Eudora User.. but I was curious)
Multi-document interface.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 12:35:08 AM, Jamie wrote:
Grep.com was supplied free with all versions of Borland C and C++ as well
as Pascal from version 3 onwards .
I'm not sure it has the same options, however.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 5:45:48 AM, Oliver wrote:
grep aol file die.scum
Ah, very correct.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 6:05:02 AM, Nick wrote:
In Reference to "Too many windows" From Steve Lamb:
S Mainly because there is a utility out there that groups like
S windows together under a single start bar button
What, you gonna m
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 6:25:49 AM, Mike wrote:
(?i)make money fast
will screen for that string of text on a case-insensitive basis.
Is that correct?
This is why I wish RIT would release docs on how TB! uses PCRE. For me
On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 06:57:49AM -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
preserving Alt-Tab for application switching. With SDI, it might
take forever to switch to another application with Alt-Tab, forcing
you to use mouse. (Not that I hate mouse, mind you.)
You know, the only time I've ever used alt-tab
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 10:06:42 AM, Curtis wrote:
LOT. :-) One thing though, it requires practice like a spoken language.
Yes, it does. Just like spoken language it can also get very complex,
esp. when one considers there are different
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 9:52:21 AM, Curtis wrote:
to another folder using ShiftCtrlG or Navigation - Go to Folder.
OTOH, I'd want PMMail's browse windows to disappear when I'm finished
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 10:27:29 AM, Curtis wrote:
but still have enough retained to do basic stuff. That's the plan.
What do you think? g
Good plan overall. I don't use much of the power of regex but what I do
use is quite handy.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 11:01:28 AM, Curtis wrote:
Being able to change to a different folder using shiftctrlg is a
kludgy function? I say no to that. TB! is just different in approach.
And a wrong one. As I said months ago, it does
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 11:08:48 AM, Curtis wrote:
another for all other folders. The only reason I'd check the main window
at times for would be to see the amount of unread messages left in the
folder I was browsing.
Ungh. If I wanted
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 11:32:11 AM, Curtis wrote:
If the software doesn't do things the way you prefer it to, it's buggy
on that account? Isn't that stretching what the term 'bug' means? :-)
Do you consider suboptimal implementation of a
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 12:03:43 PM, Marck wrote:
Definition time: a bug is a _fault_ in the implementation of a piece
of software (the coding) which renders it inoperable or breaks design
constraints within which the software should be
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 12:23:21 PM, Curtis wrote:
the weasel with me. g Why deviate the discussion and bring the above
bug into the picture. Of course that's a bug! I agree entirely and I
have indicated this both on list a lng time ago
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 12:22:36 PM, Kenneth wrote:
One deficiency in PMMail is that if I select another folder from the
main window and then select next message from the reading window, the
reading window closes, instead of reading the next
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 1:23:03 PM, Marck wrote:
That is only because you happen to have the main Window open. Curtis
and I (and others who haven't yet mentioned that they work this way)
don't. TB stays in the tool tray most of the time.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:38:05 PM, Curtis wrote:
KP Found this. Why would one select text and *not* want this to happen by
KP default? Why the special keystroke?
Ask Steve Lamb about this. He was the main voice of reason behind your
question
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:22:00 PM, Joe wrote:
Correction, Kenneth. No one but you, apparently.
Others were mentioned.
But is two days really enough time to fairly evaluate a program? Especially a
program as quirky as TB is?
Thing
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 3:04:49 PM, Kenneth wrote:
As I've said elsewhere, this should be a configurable
default to satisfy our different work styles.
It is configurable. You know you're going to quote selected, hit F4.
Personally my
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:55:04 PM, Curtis wrote:
I fill in the addressing etc and then hit the use external editor button.
Or just hit return in the subject field.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:53:08 PM, Kenneth wrote:
Okay, Steve, what was your argument against selective quoting (ie. the
F4 function)?
Sent to you before you even asked this question. ;)
argument on this list seems to be over what
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:49:01 PM, Kenneth wrote:
What are you doing different? I'm reading your message in my
"Software\TheBat" folder, go back to the PMMail main window and select
a message in the "Software\PMMail" folder, and then back on
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 3:45:22 PM, Curtis wrote:
Urhm, yes. What use exactly have I found for this bug? Stop being
dishonest Steve.
The bug, Allie, is not closing upon hitting the end of a list. You know
that as well as I do. Stop lying
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 4:11:30 PM, Curtis wrote:
Even if you're using an MDI editor where you can close a particular
document and save it?
Why would anyone use an MDI editor in the first place? It offers only
limitations over SDI
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 3:59:19 PM, Marck wrote:
No need. You did not originate this thread nor was any of it in
response to your initial attempt to divert it.
Please, do I have to send you a screen shot of the threaded view in my
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 4:51:12 PM, Kenneth wrote:
I think a large part of my problem is the sparse and inconsistent help
(admittedly a problem with many programs). Is this another case of an
undocumented feature?
Well, given that regex
On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:56:47AM +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
What is wrong with you today Steve? Marck is referring to the closing
feature that you would like, not about the del-up bug.
I'm just wondering why everyone things they are different when they are
one and the same.
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On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 01:17:26AM +0100, Deryk Lister wrote:
Not really. S/MIME insists on including the entire certificate,
whilst the PGP version (key) has the nice friendly
download-it-manually method :)
You're joking, right? That has GOT to be a joke. Who the hell would make
a
On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 08:45:12AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OTH, PGP 6.5.1.i is a 8.1mb download (i just did) and needs 15mb of hard
disk space ...
a S/MIME certificate is a couple of 100 bytes and just imports into the
address book. just sayin' ... it all depends on wether you got
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 7:43:48 AM, David wrote:
Anyone could forge a PGP key, if you manage to give fake details to
Thawte it says they can sue you for about 10,000 dollars or something
crazy.
No, noone can force a PGP key. If you think
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 7:43:44 AM, David wrote:
would not only need to download that persons key to check their
signature, but you would also need to phone them or something, to
check if the key really belongs to them. How many people here
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 8:20:58 AM, Deryk wrote:
I don't think Microsoft invented S/MIME (which would explain
everything as well) but they were certainly behind it a lot.
Certainly reason right there to ignore it. WTF was RIT thinking when
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Wednesday, August 02, 2000, 12:32:56 PM, Jamie wrote:
SL The GNU text utils would work wonders here.
SL type file | sort | uniq file.new
SL Sort will put them all in order and then uniq will return only a single
SL occurance of any
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Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 2:47:52 PM, Joe wrote:
Then, if you asked us again whether we would ever want TB to do this for
us automatically, and without the need for an external editor, the reply
would be "You betcha!
Not on your life.
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