Re: How to create a new message to ALL?

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Maggie,

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 00:32:16 +0100 GMT (14/04/2022, 06:32 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

>>> Having a right-click option to mirror the To: CC: and BCC of a
>>> previous mail could be helpful

TFM>> Well, it does work. Not CC and BCC together, but for each line.

TFM>> Maybe I am misunderstanding your questions, though.

> Right. I was doing it your way and it _was_ a pain (but
> admittedly a minor one). What I saw in the context menu when
> right clicking on the Message To:  was two choices: Write a
> message to this address, and Reply to this address. I got to
> thinking that it would be just as easy to provide a choice to
> either Write a message to all addressees, or Reply to all
> addressees. It's not a critical thing, but when there is more
> than one procedure to do, there's a possibility for error to be
> introduced. I can cope without it, but I do like Miguel's idea of
> using Edit as New. If I'm going to err, I'd rather it be the
> subject line than the address positions. It seems cleaner
> somehow. Thanks for your input, it gave me a chance to review
> again what I was doing. :-)

Everybody works differently. Whatever is good for you! :-)

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Re: How to create a new message to ALL?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Thomas!

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 4:42:11 PM you wrote:

TFM> Hello Maggie,

TFM> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:34:41 +0100 GMT (13/04/2022, 16:34 +0700 GMT),
TFM> Maggie Meister wrote:

>> It's been tedious communicating with a large group where everyone
>> who needs to be included in a new email is in the To:, CC:, and
>> BCC: line. I have been using the right click method  to Write a
>> message to this address, and then using copy and paste to add
>> everyone into the proper positions.

TFM> Well I do that too. But over here it is not much work,
TFM> because I highlight the whole CC line and then copy and
TFM> paste, and do the same with the BCC line. This is two c
TFM> actions, I don't find that too many.

>> I could see this as a filter, but it wouldn't address a changing
>> group?

>> Having a right-click option to mirror the To: CC: and BCC of a
>> previous mail could be helpful

TFM> Well, it does work. Not CC and BCC together, but for each line.

TFM> Maybe I am misunderstanding your questions, though.

Right. I was doing it your way and it _was_ a pain (but
admittedly a minor one). What I saw in the context menu when
right clicking on the Message To:  was two choices: Write a
message to this address, and Reply to this address. I got to
thinking that it would be just as easy to provide a choice to
either Write a message to all addressees, or Reply to all
addressees. It's not a critical thing, but when there is more
than one procedure to do, there's a possibility for error to be
introduced. I can cope without it, but I do like Miguel's idea of
using Edit as New. If I'm going to err, I'd rather it be the
subject line than the address positions. It seems cleaner
somehow. Thanks for your input, it gave me a chance to review
again what I was doing. :-)

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Re: How to create a new message to ALL?

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Maggie,

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:34:41 +0100 GMT (13/04/2022, 16:34 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

> It's been tedious communicating with a large group where everyone
> who needs to be included in a new email is in the To:, CC:, and
> BCC: line. I have been using the right click method  to Write a
> message to this address, and then using copy and paste to add
> everyone into the proper positions.

Well I do that too. But over here it is not much work, because I highlight the 
whole CC line and then copy and paste, and do the same with the BCC line. This 
is two c actions, I don't find that too many.

> I could see this as a filter, but it wouldn't address a changing
> group?

> Having a right-click option to mirror the To: CC: and BCC of a
> previous mail could be helpful

Well, it does work. Not CC and BCC together, but for each line.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your questions, though.

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Re: How to create a new message to ALL?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Miguel,

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:53:31 AM you wrote:

>> Having a right-click option to mirror the To: CC: and BCC of a
>> previous mail could be helpful - it could be called Write a New
>> Message to ALL

M> As a workaround, you may select the message and, form the top menu
M> Message, select 'Edit as new'.

It's a good idea. It has the advantage of only needing to select
the previous text and subject then type over them, much faster
than copying and pasting... I could even change the hotkey to
something more convenient than Alt+F6. Thanks!

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Re: How to create a new message to ALL?

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

> Having a right-click option to mirror the To: CC: and BCC of a
> previous mail could be helpful - it could be called Write a New
> Message to ALL

As a workaround, you may select the message and, form the top menu 
Message, select 'Edit as new'. A new editor window will open with the 
To, CC and BCC fields properly filled. However, you will have to edit 
the Subject, if it is different, and obviously the text of the message.

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Re: how to stop automatic indentation in ver 9.4.4

[Adrian Godfrey]

Automatic indentation does not happen for myself with the plain text editor, 
but I wouldn't expect it there anyway. It also does not happen if I 
exceptionally change to HTML editor in my attempt at reproducing the problem.

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Re: how to stop automatic indentation in ver 9.4.4

[MAU]

Hello Avram,


> Another feature of ver 9.4.4 that I don't like is automatic
> indentation when the first character of a new paragraph is a numberf followed 
> by a period and a space.

Sorry, but I can't reproduce the behaviour you describe.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 you wrote:

SB> Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:19:59 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL>> Hello Maggie,

JSL>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 you wrote:

MM>>> Hi Jack,

MM>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:52 AM you wrote:

JSL I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I 
thought
JSL it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark 
(including the
JSL cut mark) when replying. 

MM>>> This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of
MM>>> another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig
MM>>> prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your
MM>>> template from working as designed?

JSL>> Thank you Maggie, I never even noticed that the antivirus was inserting 
it's own
JSL>> cut mark. Unfortunately, after spending a lot of time, but finally 
finding how to
JSL>> eliminate it, my cut mark still doesn't work. I've sent myself messages 
both
JSL>> from TB and from my Gmail account and each time when I reply to them the 
cut
JSL>> mark and anything below it remains in the reply. So I have to abandon the 
quest
JSL>> for a solution until well, I don't know when.

SB> If it helps any, when I reply to your email, the cut mark appears to work 
as expected.

It does help, Thanks. It seems I was confusing myself (easily done these days)
and didn't realize that the sig I was looking at in my previous reply to Maggie
was the sig which is in my TB reply template. If my cut mark really didn't
work, I would have seen two identical sigs.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Sam Brown]

Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:19:59 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL> Hello Maggie,

JSL> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 you wrote:

MM>> Hi Jack,

MM>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:52 AM you wrote:

JSL>>> I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I 
thought
JSL>>> it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark 
(including the
JSL>>> cut mark) when replying. 

MM>> This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of
MM>> another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig
MM>> prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your
MM>> template from working as designed?

JSL> Thank you Maggie, I never even noticed that the antivirus was inserting 
it's own
JSL> cut mark. Unfortunately, after spending a lot of time, but finally finding 
how to
JSL> eliminate it, my cut mark still doesn't work. I've sent myself messages 
both
JSL> from TB and from my Gmail account and each time when I reply to them the 
cut
JSL> mark and anything below it remains in the reply. So I have to abandon the 
quest
JSL> for a solution until well, I don't know when.

If it helps any, when I reply to your email, the cut mark appears to work as 
expected.


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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Maggie,

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 you wrote:

MM> Hi Jack,

MM> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:52 AM you wrote:

JSL>> I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I 
thought
JSL>> it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark 
(including the
JSL>> cut mark) when replying. 

MM> This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of
MM> another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig
MM> prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your
MM> template from working as designed?

Thank you Maggie, I never even noticed that the antivirus was inserting it's own
cut mark. Unfortunately, after spending a lot of time, but finally finding how 
to
eliminate it, my cut mark still doesn't work. I've sent myself messages both
from TB and from my Gmail account and each time when I reply to them the cut
mark and anything below it remains in the reply. So I have to abandon the quest
for a solution until well, I don't know when.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Thomas,

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:59:11 PM you wrote:

TF> Hello Maggie,

TF> On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:53:30 -0500 GMT (29-Jan-21, 1:53 +0700 GMT),
TF> Maggie Meister wrote:

JSL>>> I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I 
thought
JSL>>> it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark 
(including the
JSL>>> cut mark) when replying.

>> This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of
>> another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig
>> prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your
>> template from working as designed?

TF> I don't know whether it's the anti-virus in their case, but
TF> it may also be the ISP. In my case, GMX will cut all trailing
TF> blanks. I don't know why, maybe they wwant to save bandwidth...

TF> --


TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

When I look at Stuart's message from a couple of days ago, his
sig looks perfect at my end. There is no mention of an ad for
whatever virus program which normally has a cut line. The same
for Acheton's message. Jack's shows the derangement and there is
a double cut line in his sig. However, like yours, Mike's doesn't
seem to have a double cut line, but his sig is showing as broken
here as well. A mystery!

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maggie,

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:53:30 -0500 GMT (29-Jan-21, 1:53 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

JSL>> I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I 
thought
JSL>> it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark 
(including the
JSL>> cut mark) when replying.

> This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of
> another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig
> prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your
> template from working as designed?

I don't know whether it's the anti-virus in their case, but it may also be the 
ISP. In my case, GMX will cut all trailing blanks. I don't know why, maybe they 
wwant to save bandwidth...

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Jack,

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:52 AM you wrote:

JSL> I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I 
thought
JSL> it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark (including 
the
JSL> cut mark) when replying. 

This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of
another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig
prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your
template from working as designed?

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Mike,

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 you wrote:

ML>  
ML>  Hello Jack,
ML>  
ML>  Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:04:54 PM, you wrote:
ML>  (Snipped)
ML>  
   By the way, your cut-mark doesn't seem to be working. It seems to be 
lacking the
   trailing space. It should be DASH-DASH-SPACE.
 A>>>  
   Good luck.
 A>>>  
   --
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   Jack
   Central Alabama USA
 A>>>  
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 A>>>  
 A>>>  
 A>>>  Thanks for that, both my new and reply templates for the folder have
 A>>> DASH-DASH-SPACE so I'm not sure what is going on?
 A>>>  
 A>>>  --
 A>>>  Warmest regards,
 A>>>  
 A>>>  Acheton
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ML>  
 >> Hmmm, very interesting. When I reply to this (your) email, I'm replying with
 >> your email quoted in the my reply. Your entire sig appears, cut mark, 
 >> Warmest
 >> regards etc. If I "select" (highlight) your cut mark, the highlight stops 
 >> after
 >> the two dashes. It does not stop after the trailing dash as you would expect
 >> indicating that the trailing space is not there. This is what prompted me to
 >> remark on it in the first place.
ML>  
 >> However, since this email also contains my original email to you, my sig is
 >> displayed also which means mine didn't work either. If I try to select
 >> (highlight) my cut mark. It will highlight the two dashes but not the 
 >> trailing
 >> space. Actually since my sig appears in the first place it would indicate 
 >> that
 >> my cut mark doesn't work also. And I *know* my cut mark is dash, dash, 
 >> space.
 >> It would seem that TB is stripping the trailing space on our cut marks 
 >> thereby
 >> rendering them inoperative. Or I've totally misconstrued the function of 
 >> the cut
 >> marks in the first place.
ML>  
 >> --
 >> Regards,
 >> Jack
 >> Central Alabama USA
ML>  
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ML>  
ML>  
ML>  Concerning your sig file, I had the same problem it wasn't being
ML> recognised the two dashes were there but the space was missing. I was
ML> creating my sig files in HTML mode which failed I found using plain text to
ML> create the sig all was well again. It always used to work in HTML but a
ML> while back it stopped working. I just selected all my sig file and then
ML> selected plain text and it seemed to work. Hope this helps Jack.
ML>  
ML>  Regards
ML>  
ML>  Mike
ML>  
ML>  
ML>  
ML>  
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I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I thought
it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark (including the
cut mark) when replying. When I clicked REPLY to this email Mike, your cut mark
and everything below it is visible.

For what it's worth, my editor is automatically set to Plain Text(MicroEd)
whenever I communicate with this list. Somewhere in the distant past it was
recommended to use Plain Text(MicroEd) for this list.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Mike Lumsden]

Title: Re: How to see the whole email on the screen


Hello Jack,

Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:04:54 PM, you wrote:
(Snipped)

 >>> By the way, your cut-mark doesn't seem to be working. It seems to be lacking the
 >>> trailing space. It should be DASH-DASH-SPACE.
A>>  
 >>> Good luck.
A>>  
 >>> --
 >>> Regards,
 >>> Jack
 >>> Central Alabama USA
A>>  
 >>> The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12
 >>> Windows 10 Home Build 9200
A>>  
A>>  
A>>  Thanks for that, both my new and reply templates for the folder have
A>> DASH-DASH-SPACE so I'm not sure what is going on?
A>>  
A>>  --
A>>  Warmest regards,
A>>  
A>>  Acheton
A>>  Created using TheBat! 9.3.2 on Windows 10

> Hmmm, very interesting. When I reply to this (your) email, I'm replying with
> your email quoted in the my reply. Your entire sig appears, cut mark, Warmest
> regards etc. If I "select" (highlight) your cut mark, the highlight stops after
> the two dashes. It does not stop after the trailing dash as you would expect
> indicating that the trailing space is not there. This is what prompted me to
> remark on it in the first place.

> However, since this email also contains my original email to you, my sig is
> displayed also which means mine didn't work either. If I try to select
> (highlight) my cut mark. It will highlight the two dashes but not the trailing
> space. Actually since my sig appears in the first place it would indicate that
> my cut mark doesn't work also. And I *know* my cut mark is dash, dash, space.
> It would seem that TB is stripping the trailing space on our cut marks thereby
> rendering them inoperative. Or I've totally misconstrued the function of the cut
> marks in the first place.

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> Regards,
> Jack
> Central Alabama USA

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Concerning your sig file, I had the same problem it wasn't being recognised the two dashes were there but the space was missing. I was creating my sig files in HTML mode which failed I found using plain text to create the sig all was well again. It always used to work in HTML but a while back it stopped working. I just selected all my sig file and then selected plain text and it seemed to work. Hope this helps Jack.

Regards

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Acheton,

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:05:48 + GMT (27-Jan-21, 20:05 +0700 GMT),
Acheton wrote:

> Thanks for the reply, it appears that this only happens when I am replying to 
> an email which is wider than the screen, at which points it goes outside of 
> the bounds of the window - which makes some sense.

Difficult to reply to you, as you are top-posting.

No, it does not make sense, as it means you cannot read it properly. And over 
here, it does not have (even when I leave your mails as HTML), all lines are 
properly wrapped. So I am a bit surprised that it happens to you.

Brgds,

Thomas.

> Saturday, January 16, 2021, 2:26:27 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Acheton,

> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:35:42 + GMT (15-Jan-21, 20:35 +0700 GMT),
> Acheton wrote:


> I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I have 
> a problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the earlier text 
> disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of the email 
> during composition?

> Let me try to write a very long line because I have never experienced what 
> you are describing. I usually use HTML/Plaintext but this time I am using 
> HTML only. Maybe that makes the difference - no, it doesn't. At the end of 
> the screen, the text continues here on the next line. Let me try to change 
> the size of the window - nope, it still breaks (softbreak) the lines at the 
> end of the window and continues in the next line. Resizing to full size 
> changes changes the softbreaks as desired.

> In short, I cannot duplicate your problem.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Acheton,

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 you wrote:

A>  
A>  Hi Jack,
A>  
A>  Friday, January 15, 2021, 4:46:56 PM, you wrote:
 >> Hello Acheton,
A>  
 >> On Friday, January 15, 2021 you wrote:
A>  
 A>>>  
 A>>>  Hi all,
 A>>>  
 A>>>  I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I
 A>>> have a problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the 
earlier
 A>>> text disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of 
the email during composition?
A>  
 >> Not sure if this will help because I'm using an older version of TB but if 
 >> you
 >> go to OPTIONS-PREFERENCES-EDITOR PREFERENCES, then in the box that appears 
 >> is
 >> "Wrap text at xx characters".
A>  
 >> By the way, your cut-mark doesn't seem to be working. It seems to be 
 >> lacking the
 >> trailing space. It should be DASH-DASH-SPACE.
A>  
 >> Good luck.
A>  
 >> --
 >> Regards,
 >> Jack
 >> Central Alabama USA
A>  
 >> The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12
 >> Windows 10 Home Build 9200
A>  
A>  
A>  Thanks for that, both my new and reply templates for the folder have
A> DASH-DASH-SPACE so I'm not sure what is going on?
A>  
A>  --
A>  Warmest regards,
A>  
A>  Acheton
A>  Created using TheBat! 9.3.2 on Windows 10

Hmmm, very interesting. When I reply to this (your) email, I'm replying with
your email quoted in the my reply. Your entire sig appears, cut mark, Warmest
regards etc. If I "select" (highlight) your cut mark, the highlight stops after
the two dashes. It does not stop after the trailing dash as you would expect
indicating that the trailing space is not there. This is what prompted me to
remark on it in the first place.

However, since this email also contains my original email to you, my sig is
displayed also which means mine didn't work either. If I try to select
(highlight) my cut mark. It will highlight the two dashes but not the trailing
space. Actually since my sig appears in the first place it would indicate that
my cut mark doesn't work also. And I *know* my cut mark is dash, dash, space.
It would seem that TB is stripping the trailing space on our cut marks thereby
rendering them inoperative. Or I've totally misconstrued the function of the cut
marks in the first place.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Acheton]

Hi Jack,

Friday, January 15, 2021, 4:46:56 PM, you wrote:
> Hello Acheton,

> On Friday, January 15, 2021 you wrote:

A>>  
A>>  Hi all,
A>>  
A>>  I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I
A>> have a problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the earlier
A>> text disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of the 
email during composition?

> Not sure if this will help because I'm using an older version of TB but if you
> go to OPTIONS-PREFERENCES-EDITOR PREFERENCES, then in the box that appears is
> "Wrap text at xx characters".

> By the way, your cut-mark doesn't seem to be working. It seems to be lacking 
> the
> trailing space. It should be DASH-DASH-SPACE.

> Good luck.

> -- 
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> Jack
> Central Alabama USA

> The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12
> Windows 10 Home Build 9200


Thanks for that, both my new and reply templates for the folder have 
DASH-DASH-SPACE so I'm not sure what is going on?

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Acheton]

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for the reply, it appears that this only happens when I am replying to 
an email which is wider than the screen, at which points it goes outside of the 
bounds of the window - which makes some sense.

thanks

Ach

Saturday, January 16, 2021, 2:26:27 AM, you wrote:

Hello Acheton,

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:35:42 + GMT (15-Jan-21, 20:35 +0700 GMT),
Acheton wrote:


I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I have a 
problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the earlier text 
disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of the email 
during composition?

Let me try to write a very long line because I have never experienced what you 
are describing. I usually use HTML/Plaintext but this time I am using HTML 
only. Maybe that makes the difference - no, it doesn't. At the end of the 
screen, the text continues here on the next line. Let me try to change the size 
of the window - nope, it still breaks (softbreak) the lines at the end of the 
window and continues in the next line. Resizing to full size changes changes 
the softbreaks as desired.

In short, I cannot duplicate your problem.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to see the whole email on the screen


Hello Acheton,

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:35:42 + GMT (15-Jan-21, 20:35 +0700 GMT),
Acheton wrote:





I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I have a problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the earlier text disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of the email during composition?



Let me try to write a very long line because I have never experienced what you are describing. I usually use HTML/Plaintext but this time I am using HTML only. Maybe that makes the difference - no, it doesn't. At the end of the screen, the text continues here on the next line. Let me try to change the size of the window - nope, it still breaks (softbreak) the lines at the end of the window and continues in the next line. Resizing to full size changes changes the softbreaks as desired.

In short, I cannot duplicate your problem.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Acheton,

On Friday, January 15, 2021 you wrote:

A>  
A>  Hi all,
A>  
A>  I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I
A> have a problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the earlier
A> text disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of the 
email during composition?

Not sure if this will help because I'm using an older version of TB but if you
go to OPTIONS-PREFERENCES-EDITOR PREFERENCES, then in the box that appears is
"Wrap text at xx characters".

By the way, your cut-mark doesn't seem to be working. It seems to be lacking the
trailing space. It should be DASH-DASH-SPACE.

Good luck.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello MFPA,

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 14:05:43 + GMT (22-Nov-20, 21:05 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:





Hi


On Sunday 22 November 2020 at 1:44:52 AM, in
<mid:5810176921.20201122084...@gmx.net>, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-






FWIW, your reply arrived as black script on black background over here. I am using "Classic" theme.


 
Confirn if I change to "Classic" them, my previous message displays black on black. In "Windows 10 Black" theme, "Choco Dark" theme, and in my browser (Firefox), it displays as black on white.


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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 18:18:24 +0100 GMT (23-Nov-20, 00:18 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello MFPA,

>> Confirn if I change to "Classic" them, my previous message displays
>> black on black. In "Windows 10 Black" theme, "Choco Dark" theme, and
>> in my browser (Firefox), it displays as black on white.

> Same here. Except I get white on black when you say black on white.

Thanks.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 22 November 2020 at 5:18:24 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-


> Same here. Except I get white on black when you say
> black on white.  

Yes. In a rush earlier. I meant white on black.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[MAU]

Hello MFPA,

> Confirn if I change to "Classic" them, my previous message displays
> black on black. In "Windows 10 Black" theme, "Choco Dark" theme, and
> in my browser (Firefox), it displays as black on white.

Same here. Except I get white on black when you say black on white.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[MFPA]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hi


On Sunday 22 November 2020 at 1:44:52 AM, in
<mid:5810176921.20201122084...@gmx.net>, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-






FWIW, your reply arrived as black script on black background over here. I am using "Classic" theme.


 
Confirn if I change to "Classic" them, my previous message displays black on black. In "Windows 10 Black" theme, "Choco Dark" theme, and in my browser (Firefox), it displays as black on white.


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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello MFPA,

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 18:06:58 + GMT (22-Nov-20, 1:06 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:





Hi


On Saturday 21 November 2020 at 4:41:21 PM, in
<mid:78402495.20201121084...@gmail.com>, Susanne wrote:-






Do you know of a way to also give a darker background to the menu bars?


 

Unfortunately not. I was stuck with the default off-white (very pale grey) background with dark writing until they introduced the "themes".

I have not experienced the freezes you reported. "Automatic" and "Choco Dark" seem to be the same theme. They both work for me, and so does "Windows 10 Dark". So long as I don't try to compose a reply in HTML.

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FWIW, your reply arrived as black script on black background over here. I am using "Classic" theme.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Forums]

Hello Susanne,

Saturday, November 21, 2020, 6:15:18 PM, you wrote:


Hello,

Saturday, November 21, 2020, 10:06:58 AM, MFPA wrote:


Unfortunately not. I was stuck with the default off-white (very pale grey) 
background with dark writing until they introduced the "themes".

I have not experienced the freezes you reported. "Automatic" and "Choco Dark" 
seem to be the same theme. They both work for me, and so does "Windows 10 
Dark". So long as I don't try to compose a reply in HTML.

Thanks!
I can't use the Choco Dark, as many people aren't able to read my mails, then.
I couldn't read yours in HTML (Black font on dark background), but switching to 
Text made the words visible.
I'll have to live with the white menu bars until the themes get fixed.

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Probably not what you are looking for but if you are suffering from bright 
screen have tried f.lux
https://justgetflux.com/
You can set the colour temperature of your screen and varies through the day.
Just thought
David

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Susanne]

Hello,

Saturday, November 21, 2020, 10:06:58 AM, MFPA wrote:


Unfortunately not. I was stuck with the default off-white (very pale grey) 
background with dark writing until they introduced the "themes".

I have not experienced the freezes you reported. "Automatic" and "Choco Dark" 
seem to be the same theme. They both work for me, and so does "Windows 10 
Dark". So long as I don't try to compose a reply in HTML.

Thanks!
I can't use the Choco Dark, as many people aren't able to read my mails, then.
I couldn't read yours in HTML (Black font on dark background), but switching to 
Text made the words visible.
I'll have to live with the white menu bars until the themes get fixed.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[MFPA]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hi


On Saturday 21 November 2020 at 4:41:21 PM, in
<mid:78402495.20201121084...@gmail.com>, Susanne wrote:-






Do you know of a way to also give a darker background to the menu bars?



 

Unfortunately not. I was stuck with the default off-white (very pale grey) background with dark writing until they introduced the "themes".

I have not experienced the freezes you reported. "Automatic" and "Choco Dark" seem to be the same theme. They both work for me, and so does "Windows 10 Dark". So long as I don't try to compose a reply in HTML.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Susanne]

Hello,

Saturday, November 21, 2020, 7:01:35 AM, MFPA wrote:

>  I have used colour groups to give a dark background to these lists for many 
> years, although I do have specific colour groups that I use just in the 
> folder list.

Do you know of a way to also give a darker background to the menu bars?

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 19 November 2020 at 10:04:46 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-

> That  is  just  a  'nasty'  workaround that does
> change the background
> color  of  the  folder tree pane if the color group
> for each folder is
> Generic, and it does also affect the message list.  

If somebody wants a dark background for the folder list because they find a 
light background too glaring for their eyes, my guess is the same applies to 
the message list. I have used colour groups to give a dark background to these 
lists for many years, although I do have specific colour groups that I use just 
in the folder list.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[MAU]

Hello Stefan,

>> I  can  change  it  in  the message viewer, but can't find where to
>> change  the background of the various parts of the window otherwise
>> (if possible).
>
> Go to  Options | Preferences - Message List - Color Groups and edit
> the Generic Group changing its background color for normal state.

That  is  just  a  'nasty'  workaround that does change the background
color  of  the  folder tree pane if the color group for each folder is
Generic, and it does also affect the message list.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Susanne]

Hello,

Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 10:50:25 PM, Stefan wrote:

> Go to  Options | Preferences - Message List - Color Groups and edit the 
> Generic Group changing its background color for normal state.

> It's very strange you have that freezing for non-classic themes. What is your 
> hardware (CPU and RAM)? Do you use 64-bit or 32-bit version of The Bat! ?

Thanks for the instructions! That works perfectly! Much easier on the eyes! :)

My pc has 16GB RAM, Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz, 2901 
Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s), and I use the 64-bit version of TB.


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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Stefan,
Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:50:25 AM, you wrote:

> It's very strange you have that freezing for non-classic themes. What is your 
> hardware (CPU and RAM)? Do you use 64-bit or 32-bit version of The Bat! ?

It has been reported in bugtrak at https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2088 and 
I can confirm.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Susanne,

Thursday, November 19, 2020, 2:25:18 AM, you wrote:

> I can change it in the message viewer, but can't find where to change the 
> background of the various parts of the window otherwise (if possible).

Go to  Options | Preferences - Message List - Color Groups and edit the Generic 
Group changing its background color for normal state.

It's very strange you have that freezing for non-classic themes. What is your 
hardware (CPU and RAM)? Do you use 64-bit or 32-bit version of The Bat! ?

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Susanne]

Hello,

Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 4:43:03 PM, Thomas wrote:


Oh I see. I thought you wanted to get rid of the grey background of your 
messages. I don't know whether it is possible to change the background colour 
of the account tree or any other parts independently, sorry.

No problem. I probably didn't make myself clear.
I don't like a bright white background. It's glaring for my eyes. The themes 
made me very happy, until I found the fatal flaw.
I hope it gets fixed soon!

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello Susanne,

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:25:18 -0800 GMT (19-Nov-20, 7:25 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:





Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 3:17:09 PM, Thomas wrote:





 Please go to Options / Themes / Classic to turn it off. 



Thanks, but I know that. I want to change the background color of the account tree in classic!
I can change it in the message viewer, but can't find where to change the background of the various parts of the window otherwise (if possible).



Oh I see. I thought you wanted to get rid of the grey background of your messages.

I don't know whether it is possible to change the background colour of the account tree or any other parts independently, sorry.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Susanne]

Hello,

Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 3:17:09 PM, Thomas wrote:


 Please go to Options / Themes / Classic to turn it off. 

Thanks, but I know that. I want to change the background color of the account 
tree in classic!
I can change it in the message viewer, but can't find where to change the 
background of the various parts of the window otherwise (if possible).

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello Susanne,

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 14:25:57 -0800 GMT (19-Nov-20, 5:25 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:





 I'd really like to change the background of that area to a light grey, but can't find where to do that. I hope it's possible!
 The themes are unusable, because of the freezes, at this point.



Please go to Options / Themes / Classic to turn it off.

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Re: How to restore a previous TB installation from a full copy of TB folder

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Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL:

> Hello Luca,
> 
> Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 7:49:47 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately I don't have a backup file made from inside TB, but I have a
> > full copy of my previous The Bat! folder. After a Windows 10 restore, I need
> > to reinstall TB. How can I fully recover my previous installation? 

> Once you point to a copy of your mail folder on the first run of The Bat! 
> you should be prompted with a list of the accounts found in the folder, so 
> just select the accounts you wish to work with and that's it :-)

Thanx. It has been even simpler than that, I made a couple of attempts and I
can't remember the exact steps. I run the setup selecting the previous folder
and setting the same encription password, then it let me choose the main mail
folder, after that all came back. It seems that I lost just a few
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Re: How to restore a previous TB installation from a full copy of TB folder

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Luca,

Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 7:49:47 PM, you wrote:

> Unfortunately I don't have a backup file made from inside TB, but I have a
> full copy of my previous The Bat! folder. After a Windows 10 restore, I need
> to reinstall TB. How can I fully recover my previous installation? 

Once you point to a copy of your mail folder on the first run of The Bat! you 
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Re: How to import a root certificate

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 28 August 2017 at 1:17:23 PM, in
, Tom wrote:-



> Unfortunately TB makes it more difficult to deal with
> this than
> other clients like outlook.

I believe Outlook uses Microsoft CryptoAPI to manage S/MIME and TLS
certificates. TB! is more flexible because you have the additional
option of using the internal implementation.



> The error message is always like this:

> !28/08/2017,  22:03:54: FETCH - TLS handshake
> failure. The server host
> name ("xyz.somewhere.com") does not match the
> certificate.

The error message you reported seeing in your July 2014 thread was 
about the server not providing a root certificate during the session, 
and there being no root certificate in your address book. This new 
error message is reporting a different issue.



> !28/08/2017,  22:04:57: FETCH - TLS handshake
> failure. The server host
> name ("xyz.somewhere.com.au") does not match the
> certificate.

Compare the actual host name with the host name given in the 
certificate, work out what is different, then change one to match the 
other. 



> I tried ...

My previous advice was given when you were saying it was the exact 
same issue and the same error message as three years ago.

Now that you report a different problem, that advice is not relevant.



> And how would I
> add something to the cryptoAPI?  

Click the Windows start button (or press the Windows key), type 
certmgr.msc in the box and press enter. If it's not clear from there, 
ask a search engine how to add a certificate to "windows certificate 
store".



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Re: How to import a root certificate

[Tom]

> Given the thread was three years ago, a description of the issues
> might be useful.

The  issue is just as I had explained in my original thread some years
ago.
Unfortunately TB makes it more difficult to deal with this than
other clients like outlook.

The error message is always like this:

!28/08/2017,  22:03:54: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. The server host
name ("xyz.somewhere.com") does not match the certificate.
 28/08/2017, 22:04:57: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 28/08/2017, 22:04:57: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
>28/08/2017,  22:04:57:  FETCH  - Certificate S/N:
>7C865050CzzC83B21132D5C,  algorithm: RSA (2048 bits), issued
>from 3/21/2017 to 6/20/2018 11:59:59 PM, for 1 host(s): www.somewhere.com.au.
>28/08/2017, 22:04:57: FETCH - Owner: www.somewhere.com.au.
>28/08/2017, 22:04:57: FETCH - Issuer: US, GeoTrust Inc., Domain Validated SSL, 
>GeoTrust DV SSL CA - G3.
!28/08/2017,  22:04:57: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. The server host
name ("xyz.somewhere.com.au") does not match the certificate.

> Assuming you are using TB!'s internal implementation to manage S/MIME 
> and TLS certificates rather than the Windows certificate store, you 
> could try the following:-


> In The Bat!, click the Tools menu on the top of the screen, and  
> select Address Book. 
> 
> Click View and select Certificate Address Books.
> 
> Right-click Trusted Root CA and select New Contact from the 
> context menu. 
> 
> Type the name of the CA in First name field. 
> 
> Select the Certificates tab and click Import
> 
> Locate the root certificate you downloaded from the CA, then 
> select the file and click Open. 
> 
> Once the root certificate is imported, click OK to apply changes 
> and exit the Address Book. 


> Or you could see if switching to Windows certificate store (Microsoft 
> CryptoAPI) side-steps the issue for you. (If it doesn't, either the 
> root certificate needs adding there too, or a missing root certificate
> is not the problem.)

I tried the first suggestion via address book several times but
really  am  not  clear what I need to import there. Is it the geotrust
root  certificate that is missing or do I need to add my new Quick SSL
certificate? I tried both without much happiness.  And how would I
add something to the cryptoAPI?


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Re: How to import a root certificate

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 28 August 2017 at 9:53:19 AM, in
, Tom wrote:-


> Sorry,  I need to revive this thread as I have run
> into the exact same
> issues again. 

Given the thread was three years ago, a description of the issues
might be useful.



> So far I have been unable to solve the
> problem and would
> appreciate any guidance.
> Again  I  am  getting the same error messages after
> having updated the
> annual self-signed certificate purchased from geotrust.

I take it you create a self-signed certificate and submit it to
GeoTrust for them to add their signature.



> I have tried to import the root certificate but I
> probably need better
> advice  -  perhaps  last time I was lucky because
> this time I am stuck
> and after 3 years I can't remember all the steps.
> This time it affects two of my workstations with the
> exact same issue.  

Assuming you are using TB!'s internal implementation to manage S/MIME 
and TLS certificates rather than the Windows certificate store, you 
could try the following:-


In The Bat!, click the Tools menu on the top of the screen, and  
select Address Book. 

Click View and select Certificate Address Books.

Right-click Trusted Root CA and select New Contact from the 
context menu. 

Type the name of the CA in First name field. 

Select the Certificates tab and click Import

Locate the root certificate you downloaded from the CA, then 
select the file and click Open. 

Once the root certificate is imported, click OK to apply changes 
and exit the Address Book. 


Or you could see if switching to Windows certificate store (Microsoft 
CryptoAPI) side-steps the issue for you. (If it doesn't, either the 
root certificate needs adding there too, or a missing root certificate 
is not the problem.)


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Re: How to import a root certificate

[Tom]

Friday, July 25, 2014, 10:07:32 PM, you wrote:

> Hi


> On Thursday 24 July 2014 at 6:19:42 AM, in
> , Tom wrote:



>> Sorry,  my  mistake,  badly  worded  -  don't  know
>> enough  about the terminology. We  purchased  a
>> certificate from Geotrust but while it was valid and
>> accepted  by  outlook  or  other mail program, TB
>> rejected it. I think the  reason was that there was no
>> global certificate from geotrust in the  addressbook.
>> Once  I  downloaded  and  imported  this,  our  new
>> certificate  for  the  mail  server was accepted and
>> the TLS handshake worked without further issues.  


> Ah, it all makes sense now.


Sorry,  I need to revive this thread as I have run into the exact same
issues again. So far I have been unable to solve the problem and would
appreciate any guidance.
Again  I  am  getting the same error messages after having updated the
annual self-signed certificate purchased from geotrust.
I have tried to import the root certificate but I probably need better
advice  -  perhaps  last time I was lucky because this time I am stuck
and after 3 years I can't remember all the steps.
This time it affects two of my workstations with the exact same issue.


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Re: How to delete an address from the drop down list appearing in the To: field when addressing a message

[Luca]

MFPA:

> Hi
> On Sunday 4 June 2017 at 4:02:08 PM, in
> , Luca wrote:-
> 
> 
> > My question now: is there any option to feed the
> > suggestions of the
> > autocomplete function in the To: field only with
> > entries from the Addresses
> > tab list? That would be really useful.  
> 
> Isn't that tab controlled by the settings in Options | Preferences | 
> Address History? Maybe the "Do-Not-Track List" or "Scan folders for 
> more addresses" buttons hide something that will help. 

It's the other way round, sort of. Problem is that autocompletion in the To:
field doesn't make use of the Addresses tab list, and I can't understand where
it picks addresses from and using what criteria. 

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Re: How to delete an address from the drop down list appearing in the To: field when addressing a message

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 4 June 2017 at 4:02:08 PM, in
, Luca wrote:-


> My question now: is there any option to feed the
> suggestions of the
> autocomplete function in the To: field only with
> entries from the Addresses
> tab list? That would be really useful.  


Isn't that tab controlled by the settings in Options | Preferences | 
Address History? Maybe the "Do-Not-Track List" or "Scan folders for 
more addresses" buttons hide something that will help. When I was 
poking around with such things several years ago, I added *@ to the 
"Do-Not-Track List". I don't know if it helps, and these days I tend 
to just ignore the bizarre address suggestions (I am stuck with 
Outlook at work, so I get far worse there).


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Re: How to delete an address from the drop down list appearing in the To: field when addressing a message

[Luca]

Luca:

> MFPA:
> > On Thursday 1 June 2017 at 5:45:05 PM, in
> > , Luca wrote:-
> > 
> > > I'm having problem washing the list of suggestions
> > > that appear under the To:
> > > field when I start typing an address.
> > 
> > Does it work for you to select the double down arrow at the end of the
> > To: field to expose the list, use the down arrow to highlight an
> > unwanted list entry, then hit the delete key?
> 
> Unfortunately not. The unwanted address doesn't appear at all in the list when
> I use the double down arrow, it shows up only when I start typing part of the
> name of the adressee in the to: field. 

Ok, finally the unwanted address seems to be gone from the autocomplete
suggestions, after these operations:

- I deleted from the message base any message with that address in the header.
- I completely emptied the Addresses tab (right click on the addresses list /
purge + empty address history)
- I deleted all the addresses in the drop down list of the To: field (double
down arrow at the right of the To: field).
- I completely deactivated all the options in Preferences / Address history
- I did a purge+compact operation in the manteinance center

I don't know which step actually did the trick.

My question now: is there any option to feed the suggestions of the
autocomplete function in the To: field only with entries from the Addresses
tab list? That would be really useful.

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Re: How to delete an address from the drop down list appearing in the To: field when addressing a message

[Luca]

MFPA:
> On Thursday 1 June 2017 at 5:45:05 PM, in
> , Luca wrote:-
> 
> > I'm having problem washing the list of suggestions
> > that appear under the To:
> > field when I start typing an address.
> 
> Does it work for you to select the double down arrow at the end of the
> To: field to expose the list, use the down arrow to highlight an
> unwanted list entry, then hit the delete key?

Unfortunately not. The unwanted address doesn't appear at all in the list when
I use the double down arrow, it shows up only when I start typing part of the
name of the adressee in the to: field. I can't understand where it has been
memorized.

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Re: How to delete an address from the drop down list appearing in the To: field when addressing a message

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 1 June 2017 at 5:45:05 PM, in
, Luca wrote:-


> I'm having problem washing the list of suggestions
> that appear under the To:
> field when I start typing an address.

Does it work for you to select the double down arrow at the end of the
To: field to expose the list, use the down arrow to highlight an
unwanted list entry, then hit the delete key?



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Re: How to?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Martin,

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 9:23:40 AM you wrote:

M> One thing I would like to ask - which client are you using? The mail
M> header says:

M> RITLABS Mailer v4.2.44.2

M> Quite old IMHO.

Yes, that is correct. I have an XP laptop. I had not thought to
ask if any of current GnuPG or the PGP might with my antique
system.

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Re: How to?

[Martin]

Hi Maggie

On Monday, April 10, 2017 3:10:55 PM you wrote:

> Okay, Thanks Martin, now I know a little more. 

One thing I would like to ask - which client are you using? The mail
header says:

RITLABS Mailer v4.2.44.2

Quite old IMHO.

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Re: How to?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Martin,

On Sunday, April 09, 2017 at 11:23:40 AM you wrote:

M> I am using GnuPG sometimes - so I am not a power user. Perhaps I can
M> try to answer your questions... ;-)

M> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 2:57:10 PM you wrote:MM>> 1. Using GnuPG seems to 
take up lots of space. 

M> The GPG key doesn't go into the signature - its a own element in the
M> text or inline

MM>> 2. How will correspondents using smart phones manage this 
>> considering the screen size?

M> I don't understand your question. The key is mostly not displayed with
M> the client so there is no "screen size" problem.

Yes, this answers what I was _trying_ to ask. 

MM>> 4. When replying without trimming in an email thread, this could
>> potentially take to not only scroll through, but to even find the
>> actual email amidst all the other security characters?

M> Email clients which are supporting GnuPG don't include key in the
M> reply.

Thank you!

>> 5. Are these questions also relevant to PGP or only GnuPG?

M> I am using GnuPG - don't know PGP at all.

Okay, Thanks Martin, now I know a little more. 
  

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Re: How to?

[Martin]

Hi Maggie

I am using GnuPG sometimes - so I am not a power user. Perhaps I can
try to answer your questions... ;-)

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 2:57:10 PM you wrote:
> 1. I largely use text and not html to communicate. Using GnuPG
> seems to take up lots of space. Do I remember correctly that
> proper email etiquette advocated no more than 6 lines in a sig,
> or, is that just a piece of the past that just stuck in my
> memory?

The GPG key doesn't go into the signature - its a own element in the
text or inline

> 2. How will correspondents using smart phones manage this 
> considering the screen size?

I don't understand your question. The key is mostly not displayed with
the client so there is no "screen size" problem.

> 3. For correspondents who don't use a dedicated email program
> such as TheBat! handle this if they are using web mail?

There are differnet email clients which are supporting GnuPG (Windows, Linux,
Android).

> 4. When replying without trimming in an email thread, this could
> potentially take to not only scroll through, but to even find the
> actual email amidst all the other security characters?

Email clients which are supporting GnuPG don't include key in the
reply.

> 5. Are these questions also relevant to PGP or only GnuPG?

I am using GnuPG - don't know PGP at all.

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Re: How to?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi MAU,

On Saturday, April 08, 2017 at 5:18:15 PM you wrote:

M> I am sorry to disappoint you but I know even less than Goos or
M> you about PGP and the like. It is something I was never
M> interested in.

Alas, neither was I until recently. Thanks for the reply.

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Re: How to?

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

G>> Sorry, I'm not a big help.
>
> Yes, I recognize that you are learning about it too. So, maybe we
> need SuperMAU, PeterTheBold or BatMax!   

If by 'SuperMAU' you are referring to me, I am sorry to disappoint you
but  I  know  even less than Goos or you about PGP and the like. It is
something I was never interested in.

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Re: How to?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Goos,

On Saturday, April 08, 2017 at 11:05:30 AM you wrote:

G> Sorry, I'm not a big help.

Yes, I recognize that you are learning about it too. So, maybe we
need SuperMAU, PeterTheBold or BatMax!   

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Re: How to?

[Goos]

Hi Maggie Meister,

> 

:-)
Yes, it is a lot of space.

> Thank you for bringing this question to the group. I have been
> following this thread avidly since I have never understood the
> PGP and related encryption methods and I have some questions and
> an observation.

I am sorry, but I cannot answer most of your questions, as I am myself
struggling through these things. That message with the PGP
keyblock even wasn't correct; the signature macro should not
be visible. In fact, I don't know really how to create a predefined
template for new messages with macros in it and I neither do know
how really to call the footer file with the text and keyblock. It was
in the message by unexpected luck, but I did not know how I did it.

> 1. I largely use text and not html to communicate. Using GnuPG
> seems to take up lots of space. Do I remember correctly that
> proper email etiquette advocated no more than 6 lines in a sig,
> or, is that just a piece of the past that just stuck in my
> memory?

That etiquette seems to have been 'disappeared'; at least, many
messages I get, both private and commercial have big footers of
different kind. Some with lots of text, others with pictures.

> 2. How will correspondents using smart phones manage this
> considering the screen size?

Dunno.

> 3. For correspondents who don't use a dedicated email program
> such as TheBat! handle this if they are using web mail?

Dunno.

> 4. When replying without trimming in an email thread, this could
> potentially take to not only scroll through, but to even find the
> actual email amidst all the other security characters?

May be possible, but not a problem I met yet.

> 5. Are these questions also relevant to PGP or only GnuPG?

Dunno. I simply choose GnuPG because of Maxim's advise... even without
asking why he advised that one. :-)

> Isn't choosing VPN more effective w/o having to use the keys and
> the added issue of having to convince other people to adopt this
> system in order to communicate with me? These are the ones who 
> say, why should I do this, I've got nothing to hide?

For the VPN possibility I got offered, a registration at some webpage
for it is necesary and I do not want that. Don't know if it is possible without
a third party.

Sorry, I'm not a big help.

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Re: How to?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Goos and everyone,

On Saturday, April 08, 2017 at 4:28:29 AM you wrote:

G> Ah... Now it is there! :-)



Thank you for bringing this question to the group. I have been
following this thread avidly since I have never understood the
PGP and related encryption methods and I have some questions and
an observation.

1. I largely use text and not html to communicate. Using GnuPG
seems to take up lots of space. Do I remember correctly that
proper email etiquette advocated no more than 6 lines in a sig,
or, is that just a piece of the past that just stuck in my
memory?
  
2. How will correspondents using smart phones manage this 
considering the screen size? 

3. For correspondents who don't use a dedicated email program
such as TheBat! handle this if they are using web mail? 

4. When replying without trimming in an email thread, this could
potentially take to not only scroll through, but to even find the
actual email amidst all the other security characters?

5. Are these questions also relevant to PGP or only GnuPG?

Isn't choosing VPN more effective w/o having to use the keys and
the added issue of having to convince other people to adopt this
system in order to communicate with me? These are the ones who 
say, why should I do this, I've got nothing to hide?

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Re: How to?

[Goos]

Ah... Now it is there! :-)


>>> You can sign your message with your signature - and this will contain
>>> your public key and the other side can import this.

> So I created for this account a quick template and placed the info below in 
> it.
> But in the test mails I had sent to myself, it is not in the message footer.
> The field for 'New message' is checked in the Quick template.
> What do I have to do more?

> Regards,
> Gunivortus

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>  %ISSIGNATURE
> Today email traffic seem to be increasingly controlled by 'Secret
> Services' of various kind. If you prefer to get our correspondency
> encrypted, please install the GNU Privacy Guard. The version for
> Windows is available at: https://gpg4win.org/download.html Then just
> implement it in your email client and we can exchange our Public Key
> blocks to decrypt messages after recieving. Mine follows:

>-BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
> Version: GnuPG v2

> mQENBFjnPHYBCADFQpQzgFFIJOzonufr9afxlb+2v0JnIqcVb2TF7vgIaunJO8Xu
> bGYyUpeh2NQq5Bs0Y23U0P4T/pUC8/ccOCKz+1b/JEmz203MGcsv0uzmqJIKgHGy
> OQWbjWJ1/bif3bcByPLCvEJIZldL32l/KLHGWbw+gHUqStOrWsAMmhC3B/+PI2Hr
> GW3coJe6Ly/I7ErNsK9hqE8MOgUvadz5MhrdnI6/OFC63F5IYXDQdIu0/JPqKJaV
> Dznu4D8/K7P4uh5pXJbjJV4uwWSQYoSCaS/EGDW3BPo2RNGmgPmelztP5iPMo1QE
> q4rCerQQvUpxbEB+bbGqAe6XypWtAc1w7CiHABEBAAG0GWpiZ2dvb3MgPGpiZ0Bi
> b3VkaWNjYS5kZT6JATkEEwEIACMFAljnPHYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgID
> AQIeAQIXgAAKCRBus0L8QzSFPXPQCACMcgt8xbE7ufsd5YpY+yidslVyWjaQyjJl
> XnJZdwpVpjp35Gat81vadaq6OFi/4CewqHdkRkU07oW+8bYZRcJ941jg2dzBDHD1
> 0Rk1sPQpyNTNtYCvNA3nqN+vET5TsM41cA6jA44ZI/tX4gaommhhgBho9Qqc4d20
> WO5tlJI2PblY3vjlx1C33bnGfB7NxcdwSyDET9HgDC99YX/wFGDWosT19aIrtD6b
> CU2p8J9jW7Jr6w62OQotv5QvKjZtv0thb88RngaKPyt+Syronp0zn5QuAiiZDLFa
> jOXAK9znYsh61oXI6Tzy0Uix3hF9ti7whGpvngcHU+/zFgTfNYhluQENBFjnPHYB
> CAC9HdSAjT17Ogv3rAnzxAMBiYvGwPpGQmgYWMM4gCbfXs+oVJHHBDW1nhgd+enE
> xmxZgOgeF1V97FF0EoWYItdvvEVv8lSX29k/NkXhviUtO9NXETcQ4UsNoGDWqDlw
> CzhmgOjfEfJb8P9tWu9XJeVZ+sAY1ON/nmGymDO5dESsSX2uG+rX58kKCrAZ1eL8
> /diGyFwSLRZkakVw2Nw7IX/66i5QGx6WTKzQJuzmfINeE+s6gaFQLkidEPHRw7K+
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> /EM0hT32wwgAr4r896mBEwEEWvMH+rH+Xuumsk3eM9NkTLm2Lov3Mt6LVaxLGkHH
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> =2qGu
> -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-


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Re: How to?

[Goos]

>> You can sign your message with your signature - and this will contain
>> your public key and the other side can import this.

So I created for this account a quick template and placed the info below in it.
But in the test mails I had sent to myself, it is not in the message footer.
The field for 'New message' is checked in the Quick template.
What do I have to do more?

Regards,
Gunivortus

---

 %ISSIGNATURE
Today email traffic seem to be increasingly controlled by 'Secret
Services' of various kind. If you prefer to get our correspondency
encrypted, please install the GNU Privacy Guard. The version for
Windows is available at: https://gpg4win.org/download.html Then just
implement it in your email client and we can exchange our Public Key
blocks to decrypt messages after recieving. Mine follows:

   -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Version: GnuPG v2

mQENBFjnPHYBCADFQpQzgFFIJOzonufr9afxlb+2v0JnIqcVb2TF7vgIaunJO8Xu
bGYyUpeh2NQq5Bs0Y23U0P4T/pUC8/ccOCKz+1b/JEmz203MGcsv0uzmqJIKgHGy
OQWbjWJ1/bif3bcByPLCvEJIZldL32l/KLHGWbw+gHUqStOrWsAMmhC3B/+PI2Hr
GW3coJe6Ly/I7ErNsK9hqE8MOgUvadz5MhrdnI6/OFC63F5IYXDQdIu0/JPqKJaV
Dznu4D8/K7P4uh5pXJbjJV4uwWSQYoSCaS/EGDW3BPo2RNGmgPmelztP5iPMo1QE
q4rCerQQvUpxbEB+bbGqAe6XypWtAc1w7CiHABEBAAG0GWpiZ2dvb3MgPGpiZ0Bi
b3VkaWNjYS5kZT6JATkEEwEIACMFAljnPHYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgID
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jOXAK9znYsh61oXI6Tzy0Uix3hF9ti7whGpvngcHU+/zFgTfNYhluQENBFjnPHYB
CAC9HdSAjT17Ogv3rAnzxAMBiYvGwPpGQmgYWMM4gCbfXs+oVJHHBDW1nhgd+enE
xmxZgOgeF1V97FF0EoWYItdvvEVv8lSX29k/NkXhviUtO9NXETcQ4UsNoGDWqDlw
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/EM0hT32wwgAr4r896mBEwEEWvMH+rH+Xuumsk3eM9NkTLm2Lov3Mt6LVaxLGkHH
R4a9j9mGdNqnvxM/386TQkWwY6vbpYBkYyLmpPXoE4kiacCJ9+TSXod9AaH5lf0/
nyjd5lC3gI5pL48b4z/D5L7r6LOidvi9+wjUGMyEhLH8TWanh/EJTtj0MZ/bEeEP
226990svCQWIgK0hKZdq8oAsncbhuOqNL5f8O2w99zo+PS4krW75B3fvtIoPiavK
ROsazqTv2Y+qteCsu7gOMo6iVdTY6UiE9CxTB6e0jk66imHP8w/XV/ijecwvy3LJ
79MByEgRpdhQLnvJMnNQ+WRkmAAihaCJLA==
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Re: How to?

[Goos]

> You can sign your message with your signature - and this will contain
> your public key and the other side can import this.

Thanks, will try that.

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Re: How to?

[Martin]

Hi Goos

On Friday, April 7, 2017 6:32:05 PM you wrote:

> Trying to create a footer in which recievers of my mail are invited
> to use Gnu PG encryption and  my public key has to be added.
> Is there an easy way to automate that, or do I have to add manually
> a TXT file with that info?

You can sign your message with your signature - and this will contain
your public key and the other side can import this.

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Description: PGP signature

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Re: how can I get my tabs back

[Jenny Zonneveld]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:04:12 PM, you wrote:
TF> Hello Jenny,

TF> On Mon, 9 May 2016 12:26:25 +0200 GMT (09-May-16, 17:26 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jenny Zonneveld wrote:

>> Hi everyone, 

>> I accidently deleted the message tabs (inbox, unread) and I can't
>> easily find out how get them back 

>> There must be a simple setting I'm overlooking, please help!

TF> Go to Workspace / Folder tabs / [X] Show folder tabs.

Thank you!
In fact, this was ticked, but there's another set of tabs:

Workspace / Message list tabs / Show message list tabs


But I was looking in the wrong place, I was looking in Options / Preferences / 
Message list / tabs 


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Re: how can I get my tabs back

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jenny,

On Mon, 9 May 2016 12:26:25 +0200 GMT (09-May-16, 17:26 +0700 GMT),
Jenny Zonneveld wrote:

> Hi everyone, 

> I accidently deleted the message tabs (inbox, unread) and I can't
> easily find out how get them back 

> There must be a simple setting I'm overlooking, please help!

Go to Workspace / Folder tabs / [X] Show folder tabs.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

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Re: how to reach RitLabs?

[Rick]

 I've sent email to RitLabs but heard nothing.
 Was is the normal way to email them?
supp...@ritlabs.com


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Re: How to View new messages two computers with TB! ?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 16 December 2014 at 8:44:57 PM, in
mid:1903365756.20141216214...@eternallybored.org, Jernej Simoncic
wrote:


 On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 21:16:55, Robert D.
 wrote:

 On either instance of TB!, A filter examines the
 Inbox, then filters a message to one of several Common
 Folders.

 This is your problem. If you want to keep the messages
 on both computers, filter them to other IMAP folders,
 not to local ones.  

Or have the filters _copy_, rather than _move_, the messages to local
folders.




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Re: How to View new messages two computers with TB! ?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 21:16:55, Robert D. wrote:

 On either instance of TB!, A filter examines the Inbox, then filters a
 message to one of several Common Folders.

This is your problem. If you want to keep the messages on both
computers, filter them to other IMAP folders, not to local ones.

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Re: How to import a root certificate

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 24 July 2014 at 6:19:42 AM, in
mid:1803201600.20140724151...@sunnysydney.com, Tom wrote:



 Sorry,  my  mistake,  badly  worded  -  don't  know
 enough  about the terminology. We  purchased  a
 certificate from Geotrust but while it was valid and
 accepted  by  outlook  or  other mail program, TB
 rejected it. I think the  reason was that there was no
 global certificate from geotrust in the  addressbook.
 Once  I  downloaded  and  imported  this,  our  new
 certificate  for  the  mail  server was accepted and
 the TLS handshake worked without further issues.  


Ah, it all makes sense now.

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Re: How to import a root certificate

[Tom]

 How do I import a root certificate. 

 It's several years since I needed to do this, and my memory of it is
 unclear. I think you set up an address book entry, import the
 certificate into that AB entry, view the certificate, go to the
 certification path tab, select the certificate you want to trust,
 and click add to trusted.

 I played about with self-certificates quite a few years ago, and just
 for email, not TLS. And I have had to import new root certificates a 
 few times, when email service providers changed server certificates 
 and when correspondents had s/mime certificates from a CA that was not
 already there or had expired. So no great wealth of experience on my 
 part.

Thank you very much - yes, the critical issue was that I had to import
the  Geotrust  Global  CA first. Once I had done that, our self-signed
certificate was fully validated.



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Re: How to import a root certificate

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 23 July 2014 at 10:05:44 AM, in
mid:28389624.20140723190...@sunnysydney.com, Tom wrote:



 Thank you very much - yes, the critical issue was that
 I had to import the  Geotrust  Global  CA first. Once I
 had done that, our self-signed certificate was fully
 validated.  

I'm slightly confused. This suggests that after creating your
self-signed certificate, you then got it signed by Geotrust Global CA.

Importing (and trusting) the root certificates of all the CAs in the
world would not validate a certificate that was signed only by itself
and not by a CA.



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Re: How to import a root certificate

[Tom]

Wednesday, July 23, 2014, 10:07:48 PM, you wrote:

 Hi


 On Wednesday 23 July 2014 at 10:05:44 AM, in
 mid:28389624.20140723190...@sunnysydney.com, Tom wrote:



 Thank you very much - yes, the critical issue was that
 I had to import the  Geotrust  Global  CA first. Once I
 had done that, our self-signed certificate was fully
 validated.  

 I'm slightly confused. This suggests that after creating your
 self-signed certificate, you then got it signed by Geotrust Global CA.

 Importing (and trusting) the root certificates of all the CAs in the
 world would not validate a certificate that was signed only by itself
 and not by a CA.


Sorry,  my  mistake,  badly  worded  -  don't  know  enough  about the
terminology.
We  purchased  a  certificate from Geotrust but while it was valid and
accepted  by  outlook  or  other mail program, TB rejected it. I think
the  reason was that there was no global certificate from geotrust in
the  addressbook.  Once  I  downloaded  and  imported  this,  our  new
certificate  for  the  mail  server was accepted and the TLS handshake
worked without further issues.




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Re: How to import a root certificate

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 17 July 2014 at 6:24:36 AM, in
mid:1117609439.20140717152...@sunnysydney.com, Tom wrote:



 using  TLS for email retrievals from our mail server
 now, we installed a  new  certificate  on  the  server.
 It's  a  valid  certificate but self-signed and while
 outlook and other mail programs are happy, my TB does
 not like it


Are the other MUAs actually happy, or just configured to ignore
errors? And, if the latter, are they really receiving the mail over an
encrypted connection or is it falling back to unencrypted?




 I  am  getting  an  alert  that  the  server  did  not
 provide a root certificate during the session, and
 there is no root certificate in my address  book.
 Connection may not be secure.  The options to view or
 add to trusted are greyed out. I have a choice to
 continue and if I do so I am getting my email. 

And when this happens, is it transmitted over an encrypted channel or 
not?



 But this
 is per email account and each time I want to retrieve
 emails, so not a working solution.

Indeed not.



 How do I import a root certificate. 

It's several years since I needed to do this, and my memory of it is
unclear. I think you set up an address book entry, import the
certificate into that AB entry, view the certificate, go to the
certification path tab, select the certificate you want to trust,
and click add to trusted.



 I can see the
 address book section and  the  import  function there
 but I am unclear on how to create the file  for import.
 What format should that be in?  

.cer, .p12, .pfx seem to work, at least. 



 I have an email with
 the  certificate  details (a quick SSL Basic SSL
 Certificate and could copy/paste  that  info  into a
 file but I suspect The Bat is looking for something
 more than a text file?

See above.



 I  did  some  searching but found either very old
 postings without any outcomes  or a simple import
 advice. Sorry I am not experienced enough and any
 assistance will be appreciated a lot.  

I played about with self-certificates quite a few years ago, and just 
for email, not TLS. And I have had to import new root certificates a 
few times, when email service providers changed server certificates 
and when correspondents had s/mime certificates from a CA that was not 
already there or had expired. So no great wealth of experience on my 
part.


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Re: How to import a root certificate

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, July 17, 2014, 7:24:36, Tom wrote:

 How do I import a root certificate.

You can import the certificate through Address Book, but I suggest you
instead switch The Bat to use CryptoAPI - it'll then automatically use
any certificates you have in Windows (you can do this through
Options - S/MIME and TLS).

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Re: How to Make Junk Mail Messages Bold ?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Fred,

Sunday, February 2, 2014, 9:27:19 PM, you wrote:

 Eureka !!! No, I did not, and somehow never had noticed that setting
 before.

Glad you got it sorted.   :)

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Re: How to Make Junk Mail Messages Bold ?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Fred,

Sunday, February 2, 2014, 7:30:47 AM, you wrote:

 Does anyone know how to make messages sent to the Junk Mail folder by
 anti-spam filtering appear with bold text in the messages list (and, thus,
 make the Junk Mail folder appear with bold text in the folder list)?

Under Options/Preferences/Plugins/Anti-Spam there is a setting to Mark stored 
junk mail as read. Do you have it checked?

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Re: How to Make Junk Mail Messages Bold ?

[Fred]

 Hello Fred,

Hi, Stuart - thanks for your reply.

 Under Options/Preferences/Plugins/Anti-Spam there is a setting to Mark
 stored junk mail as read. Do you have it checked?

Eureka !!! No, I did not, and somehow never had noticed that setting
before. However, I have now checked it, and have since been rewarded
(LOL) with a couple of spam messages (and they're real spam messages, not
mis-filtered or mis-directed desired mail messages, but they're good for
testing) that were shown in BOLD (and I knew they had arrived right away,
since the Junk Mail folder showed up in BOLD). Great !!!

So, thank you very much for helping me discover that setting, Stuart.

Carry on then...

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Re: How to set a PGP key to encrypt to recipient in TB! ?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 2 December 2013 at 3:41:53 AM, in
mid:1816249602.20131201224...@denstarfarm.us, Robert D. wrote:


  I
 used to write to Melissa when such a foible met me ...
 'how to get prompted by TB!' ?


When I started with TB! my recollection is that it automatically
picked whatever matching key was found first. Then I am convinced it
was changed in an upgrade to present the user with a list if there
were multiple matches; I don't think it was a setting the user could
affect. I'm sure I used to sometimes see this. But I just tested with
a couple of email addresses for which I have more than one key on my
keyring, and TB! didn't prompt me which key to use. In my very limited
test, TB! seemed to be automatically using the oldest key for
encryption and the newest key for signing. 

As far as I remember, it was unreliable and only sometimes offered me
the choice. But I don't recall hearing anybody say it had been changed
back to TB! picking one itself.


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Re: How to set a PGP key to encrypt to recipient in TB! ?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 1 December 2013 at 5:04:38 AM, in
mid:791153592.20131201000...@denstarfarm.us, Robert D. wrote:


 It seems that way back when, using early TB, I could
 set a certain openpgp key to be used per a particular
 recipient, ahead of time .. like in a New Message
 template in the AB ??? I can't recall. An help on this?

I've been using TB! since v2.x in 2004 and never been able to find a
setting, or even a workaround, to achieve this. I'm sure somebody will 
chime in if a newer TB! version than mine can do this.

Since you used the abbreviation TB (without an exclamation mark) I 
have to ask if you were thinking of Thunderbird, where the Enigmail 
add-on does provide such a setting (per-recipient rules).



 For example, I have a friend who has a few Public keys,
 here in the keyring. I only want to use  certain one.

If several public keys have user-ids containing the email address to
which you are sending, TB! should be presenting you with a dialogue
box to choose one for encryption every time you send them an email.

If you want to always use the same one and not get that dialogue box, 
you could disable the others in GnuPG or PGP.

If the friend has several keys but does not have their email address
in any user-ids, in GnuPG you can create a group line naming the group
as the email address surrounded by angle-brackets and pointing to the 
key you want to use for encryption. (Some PGP versions have a way of 
achieving the same thing, some do not.)


 I'd like the $SIGNCOMPLETE  to make use of my
 preferences.  

I think it would be more sensible if they added this functionality to
%encryptcomplete, and the option of choosing which of the sender's
keys to use for signing to %signcomplete.

I think in the past there have been wish-list entries requesting such
a function (or/and an addressbook field to set the key to use).


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Re: How to set a PGP key to encrypt to recipient in TB! ?

[Robert D.]

Hello MFPA,

Sunday, December 1, 2013, 7:36:05 AM, you wrote:

 Since you used the abbreviation TB (without an exclamation mark) I 
 have to ask if you were thinking of Thunderbird, where the Enigmail 
 add-on does provide such a setting (per-recipient rules).

mensch-meier .. ur right! I used TB! back in the two's; had some wrangle
for a while with constant crashing and switched to TB (bird + enigmail)
and THAT may have been where I saw that ability.

Hoever, ur workaround is more than functional ... and no, I am not
presented with a selection choice when the email address has multi-keys
in the key-manager  .. I used to write to Melissa when such a foible met
me ... 'how to get prompted by TB!' ?



thanks a bunch for the reminders. I'll run thru the list and disable
such and such keys.


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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[MAU]

Hello MFPA,


 Very good, on a pade visited by people whose email service has been 
 disrupted due to somebody else using an ill-conceived and 
 poorly-configured anti-spam solution.


That is the problem. Blacklist may use whatever criteria they wish, the 
problem is that some sysadmins may decide to reject email based on what 
one or another blacklist tell them. That is the problem with the 
server hosting tbudl. 

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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,


 Hm. Which POP client would have downloaded your message before you
 check your TBUDL account?

None in my case. I'm just illustrating what recent stands for.

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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,


 Now that I have this working, could someone now explain a little
 theory behind the addition of recent.

 Some non-English-speaking immigrant working at Gmail chose this word.
 It should have been own: or self:.

I wish there was an option for own or self. Recent stands for 
recent, as you can see here:

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948?hl=en

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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 7 September 2013 at 10:28:36 AM, in
mid:525587079.20130907112...@gmail.com, MAU wrote:


 Hel
 I wish there was an option for own or self.
 Recent stands for  recent, as you can see here:


If I recall correctly, Gmail only exhibits this bug if your outgoing
mail goes through their server. Sending through a different SMTP
server (like your ISP's, or direct from your own PC, or using one of
the other free services available) makes it work properly: if Google
didn't record your message-id on the way out, they can't use it to
censor your message when it comes back in.

I also just did a quick spot of searching on Google's self-help forum 
and the recurring theme is that they do not provide a setting to turn 
off this bug. They mention filters and labels, but I don't recall 
those working for their POP server, just their web interface. And even 
if it worked, you would get a copy of your sent message, not the 
incoming one via the group with the added headers.

Not sure if CC or BBC to yourself would work, or whether google would 
censor that incoming copy as well.

Or you could subscribe to the list with two different addresses, using
one to send and the other to receive. On that note, any idea if the 
@thebat.net email joint offering by Ritlabs and google is still 
around?


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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 11:28:36 +0200 GMT (07-Sep-13, 16:28 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

 Now that I have this working, could someone now explain a little
 theory behind the addition of recent.

 Some non-English-speaking immigrant working at Gmail chose this word.
 It should have been own: or self:.

 I wish there was an option for own or self. Recent stands for 
 recent, as you can see here:

 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948?hl=en

Hm. Which POP client would have downloaded your message before you
check your TBUDL account?

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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Thursday, September 5, 2013, 11:41:26 AM, Thomas Fernandez 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

 I hope to have shed some light.


Yes, you and Jack both have.

Thanks,

Leonard
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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 7:23:29 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

 Accouint / Properties / Transport / Receive Mail / User:

 Instead of usern...@gmail.com use recent:usern...@gmail.com

Thanks, Thomas. That worked. Someone, perhaps you, suggested something
like this a while back, but I did not understand where to add recent,

Leonard
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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 8:42:14 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

 Just make sure you have gone out to the web and cleared what you
 don't want as once you do that it ALL comes. That is from
 experience. When I did that a long time ago i didn't check first :))

I three caution to the winds, but only three of my own recent postings
came through.

Leonard
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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 7:23:29 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

 Accouint / Properties / Transport / Receive Mail / User:

 Instead of usern...@gmail.com use recent:usern...@gmail.com


Now that I have this working, could someone now explain a little
theory behind the addition of recent.

In addition to the basic account in TheBat, where I receive almost all
of my mail, I have a secondary account for Gmail. (I created it a while
back because I was having a problem on TBUDL.) I subscribe to four
lists on the main account. There is no recent in the account
properties, yet I have had no problem seeing my onw postings. The only
problem was in the sub-account for Gmail.

I hate having things work without knowing why they work.

Thanks,

Leonard
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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Rick]

Now that I have this working, could someone now explain a little theory behind 
the addition of recent.
Why they use that word/ Who knows, but what it does is bring back your sent 
messages. Google doesn't default to this since you sent it, you probably don't 
want to see it again. (don't shoot the messenger for that one) :))


-- 
Rick
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to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed 
by those who hold the purse strings.
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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Leonard,

On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:44:45 -0400 GMT (05-Sep-13, 15:44 +0700 GMT),
Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:

 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 7:23:29 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
 wrote:

 Accouint / Properties / Transport / Receive Mail / User:

 Instead of usern...@gmail.com use recent:usern...@gmail.com

 Thanks, Thomas. That worked. Someone, perhaps you, suggested something
 like this a while back, but I did not understand where to add recent,

I don't think I suggested it at the time, because I learned this
little trick over here. ;-)

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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Leonard,

On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 05:03:29 -0400 GMT (05-Sep-13, 16:03 +0700 GMT),
Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:

 Accouint / Properties / Transport / Receive Mail / User:

 Instead of usern...@gmail.com use recent:usern...@gmail.com

 Now that I have this working, could someone now explain a little
 theory behind the addition of recent.

Some non-English-speaking immigrant working at Gmail chose this word.
It should have been own: or self:.

The reason is that Google - as the only POP provider in the world -
assumes that you don't want to receive mails that you have sent. A
logic I fail to understand, but luckily, this misnomed function fixes
their user friendliness.

 In addition to the basic account in TheBat, where I receive almost all
 of my mail, I have a secondary account for Gmail. (I created it a while
 back because I was having a problem on TBUDL.) I subscribe to four
 lists on the main account. There is no recent in the account
 properties, yet I have had no problem seeing my onw postings. The only
 problem was in the sub-account for Gmail.

Yes, only Gmail is so user friendly that you have to scratch your head
in disbelief.

 I hate having things work without knowing why they work.

I hope to have shed some light.

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Re: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

[Rick]

Accouint / Properties / Transport / Receive Mail / User: Instead of 
usern...@gmail.com use recent:usern...@gmail.com

Just make sure you have gone out to the web and cleared what you don't want as 
once you do that it ALL comes. That is from experience. When I did that a long 
time ago i didn't check first :))


-- 
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Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, and The elderly are useless eaters
Dr. Henry Kissinger

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Re: How do you get The Bat! under Wine to use GnuPG?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 23 October 2012 at 12:35:16 PM, in
mid:1810488823.20121023133516@my_localhost, I wrote:


 Can anybody who already runs The Bat! under Wine on
 Linux tell me how to get TB! to use GnuPG? Is there a
 way to get The Bat! under Wine to use the GnuPG already
 present on my Linux installation, or do I need to add
 the Windows GnuPG.exe to Wine's PATH environment
 variable?

The workaround I am using for now is below. It allows The Bat! to find
and use GnuPG. But GnuPG operations take about three times as long
when called from TB! under Wine compared to my Windows setup. Is this
sluggishness normal? And does anybody have a better workaround?

Workaround:-

In Wine's Program Files directory, create a symlink GnuPG to the 
Windows folder where gpg.exe and iconv.dll reside. Add that location 
to Wine's PATH environment variable as C:\Program Files\GnuPG.

(To avoid duplicating my GnuPG keyrings and configuration files for
the test, I also created a symlink GnuPG from Wine's
user1\Application Data directory to the corresponding Windows
location.)


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Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 25 October 2012 at 10:36:46 PM, in
mid:1655122352.20121025163...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 Any address highlighted in this manner can
 then either be deleted by pressing the DEL key or
 PARKed by pressing the space bar.

That is what I see in 4.0.38, although the parking function is one I 
forget about until I see it mentioned again on this list; I don't find 
spacebar-to-park at all intuitive. (-;


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Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?

[Robert Bull]

On Thursday, October 25, 2012, 10:36:46 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 If I start a new message and click the chevron (VIEW HISTORY) at the
 far right of the TO field, I am presented with a history of most
 recently used addresses. While the list is displayed I can press the
 down-arrow key (not the mouse cursor) which causes the top address
 in the list to become highlighted. Once the top address is
 highlighted I can continue to use the down-arrow key to travel down
 in the list, the next address being highlighted with each down-arrow
 keypress. Any address highlighted in this manner can then either be
 deleted by pressing the DEL key or PARKed by pressing the space bar.

I partially confirm both your suggestion and Robin Anson's
observation. Following your first post I tried typing in the To: line,
arrowed to the entry I didn't want, and pressed Del. As I said,
nothing happened, or at least, appeared to happen; the address stayed
put. I've just tried your doctrine set out above and clicked the
chevron. Lo, the offending address is *not* in the chevron drop-down
list, only the one I wanted, presumably because it was in fact
deleted. But, if I create another new message and start typing in the
To: field, the unwanted address is still there.

I don't know if that rates as a bug, but it's a misbehaviour likely to
cause errors.  I'd like to see it made consistent.


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Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Robert,

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 you wrote:

RB If I start typing a contact name in the To: field of a new message, TB
RB pops up a list of matching possibilities.  One of my contacts has
RB changed his e-mail address.  Please, how do I delete his old one from
RB the pop-up list?
RB   

I saw your message last night but couldn't reply at the time. I'm surprised no
one has responded yet.

If I interpret your query correctly, when the drop-down list of recently used
addresses appears, use your down arrow (not the mouse) to highlight (select) the
first address and then just use the arrow key to move to the address(s) you wish
to delete and press the DEL key.

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Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?

[Robert Bull]

On Thursday, October 25, 2012, 2:00:30 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 If I interpret your query correctly, when the drop-down list of
 recently used addresses appears, use your down arrow (not the mouse)
 to highlight (select) the first address and then just use the arrow
 key to move to the address(s) you wish to delete and press the DEL
 key.

Thanks, but that doesn't work for me!  Nothing happens when I press
Del.  I'm using a laptop, but the Del key is a freestanding one, not
on overlay, and I wouldn't think it was the wrong scancode?


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Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?

[Rick]

Thanks, but that doesn't work for me! Nothing happens when I press Del.

It doesn't work for me either on my system. At one time you could PARK those 
addresses you don't want to lose, but I no longer see that

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