Re: One more Jaws website query
No need for appologies. I was amused is all. I should have put smiles in to let you know, but I didn't want you to think I was laughing at you either. Mary Quoting josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com: It was a missunderstanding is all, apologies. On 8/3/12, Mary Stores msto...@indiana.edu wrote: VO is not good enough? I honestly think it has come far OK, serously. No, there is not. The planets are still where they are supposed to be. Mary === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
One more Jaws website query
Hi all Just one more question, for now. What's this OCR Engine For Convenient OCR on the Jaws website? Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: One more Jaws website query
Gordon, JAWS (and NVDA too for that matter) have the ability to scrape a page and look for content that is not usually accessible to the screen reader and then makes it become accessible. For example you have a application which has labelled buttons, and I mean a sighted person can see the text on those buttons, but the screen reader reads the button as button. JAWS is able to perform an OCR and make those buttons readable. This feature is particularly useful when watching a DVD. Currently menus on DVDs are not accessible, JAWS fixes that problem. These are just a couple of examples. I would love to see this feature added to voiceover, but as Apple like to jump onto the spring years of technology, I can't see them adopting DVD OCR as DVDs are in the autumn years of their life and will eventually be fully replaced with streaming / downloads. JAWS 13 has some very interesting features, especially when using the text analyser with MS Word. I have still not found a way for JAWS to tell me if I have incorrectly spelt a word after hitting the spacebar which I have taken for granted on the Mac. Mind you, I am still on XP at work and using office 2003, so that might have a baring. Chris On 3 Aug 2012, at 12:58, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Just one more question, for now. What's this OCR Engine For Convenient OCR on the Jaws website? Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: One more Jaws website query
Hi Chris OK, I've discovered that if I use the FTP download link for Jaws using a PC, it reads very differently for one thing to how it does with VoiceOver. For a start, the downloads are labelled Demo which VoiceOver doesn't see. For seconds, the FTP downloads work, which they do not in Safari 6. That, if it holds true for all FTP downloads, is a huge hole in Safari, just like the removal of RSS is in Safari 6. I'll shortly be installing Jaws, but one thing I do not like from what I saw of the installer last time. It automatically, and without giving the user the option to change it, evokes System Restore to create a restore point. That is really ugly as far a as I'm concerned. We don't use System Restore at all, in preference to RollBack which is far more powerful. But the text access features sound interesting. I'll get Jaws 64-bit install on our Windows 7 Notebook shortly and see how it goes. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 13:35, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, JAWS (and NVDA too for that matter) have the ability to scrape a page and look for content that is not usually accessible to the screen reader and then makes it become accessible. For example you have a application which has labelled buttons, and I mean a sighted person can see the text on those buttons, but the screen reader reads the button as button. JAWS is able to perform an OCR and make those buttons readable. This feature is particularly useful when watching a DVD. Currently menus on DVDs are not accessible, JAWS fixes that problem. These are just a couple of examples. I would love to see this feature added to voiceover, but as Apple like to jump onto the spring years of technology, I can't see them adopting DVD OCR as DVDs are in the autumn years of their life and will eventually be fully replaced with streaming / downloads. JAWS 13 has some very interesting features, especially when using the text analyser with MS Word. I have still not found a way for JAWS to tell me if I have incorrectly spelt a word after hitting the spacebar which I have taken for granted on the Mac. Mind you, I am still on XP at work and using office 2003, so that might have a baring. Chris On 3 Aug 2012, at 12:58, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Just one more question, for now. What's this OCR Engine For Convenient OCR on the Jaws website? Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: One more Jaws website query
Hi Chris The FTP downloads screen, and Window-Eyes 7.5.4. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:33, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: OUt of interest, which web page are you referring to which has the FTP links and the additional demo description? What screen reader are you using to download the ftp file? Sorry I am a bit of a html / screen reader geek. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: One more Jaws website query
Hi Chris No matter what I tried under Safari 6 Mac OS X 10.8 the links wouldn't resolve. But no matter, I have the installer now. Interestingly though, when I plugged my dongle into the NoteBook running Windows 7, it couldn't install the device drivers. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:41, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: They worked fine for me how strange === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: One more Jaws website query
Josh. No, this is Windows. As I told you I'm going to need it for work. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:46, josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Hey wait, am I understanding there's a jaws for mac? On 8/3/12, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: They worked fine for me how strange Sent from my iPhone On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:36, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris I'd already tried that page before you gave me it actually and it wouldn't work. But it seems that Safari 6 doesn't like the FTP download links on that page. I have the installer now and will be installing in a few moments. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 15:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, Why did you not just download it from the page I gave you? I had no problems downloading JAWS with Safari. As you have not provided the actual web page you eventually downloaded JAWS from, I am unable to say for sure why Window Eyes saw demo. This could because Window Eyes has been set to see link title attributes text? Safari 6 and VO under ML no longer see title attributes and JAWS does not read them by default. They are a waste of time and of more use to sighted users. Chris On 3 Aug 2012, at 15:17, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris The FTP downloads screen, and Window-Eyes 7.5.4. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:33, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: OUt of interest, which web page are you referring to which has the FTP links and the additional demo description? What screen reader are you using to download the ftp file? Sorry I am a bit of a html / screen reader geek. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkar...@gmail.com === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the
Re: One more Jaws website query
No JAWS for Mac. It can be run on a Windows partition or simply downloaded to a flash drive for installation on a Windows computer. - Original Message - From: josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! techno-chat@techno-chat.net Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:46 AM Subject: Re: One more Jaws website query Hey wait, am I understanding there's a jaws for mac? On 8/3/12, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: They worked fine for me how strange Sent from my iPhone On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:36, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris I'd already tried that page before you gave me it actually and it wouldn't work. But it seems that Safari 6 doesn't like the FTP download links on that page. I have the installer now and will be installing in a few moments. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 15:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, Why did you not just download it from the page I gave you? I had no problems downloading JAWS with Safari. As you have not provided the actual web page you eventually downloaded JAWS from, I am unable to say for sure why Window Eyes saw demo. This could because Window Eyes has been set to see link title attributes text? Safari 6 and VO under ML no longer see title attributes and JAWS does not read them by default. They are a waste of time and of more use to sighted users. Chris On 3 Aug 2012, at 15:17, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris The FTP downloads screen, and Window-Eyes 7.5.4. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:33, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: OUt of interest, which web page are you referring to which has the FTP links and the additional demo description? What screen reader are you using to download the ftp file? Sorry I am a bit of a html / screen reader geek. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkar...@gmail.com === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http
