Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread John Reiser
On 07/09/2013 01:22 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 07/08/2013 09:39 AM, John Reiser wrote: 1. Install a userid whose login shell is /usr/bin/sync (or a script which does sync; sync) 2. Login as the sync user (twice, perhaps.) Running sync multiple times doesn't have any particular purpose

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-08 Thread John Reiser
On 07/08/2013, Adam Pribyl wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: No need to open a discussion. SysRq is disable for are a reason and what you are propose allows anyone that sits at the keyboard to kill all process,reboot without syncing or authorization and all because

Re: can not use USB device to install fedora-19-x86-64-DVD

2013-07-05 Thread John Reiser
I successfully installed fedora-19-live-kde-x86-64 by USB key. When I install DVD , after choose language, it has one more step to choose install media, from sdb1(USB key ), iso image or network. It reported the sdb1 not available , but the system is booting up by USB key, [so why?] Anaconda

Re: can not use USB device to install fedora-19-x86-64-DVD

2013-07-04 Thread John Reiser
I made a USB device, and could boot up into the install application, but when to choose a device as install source , the sdb1 device, USB disk, verified to be not available , what is the reason , how should i do and do I have to make DVD disk to install? Here is one method that I use when it

Re: Bug 499836: It's back

2013-06-22 Thread John Reiser
On 06/22/2013 09:05 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: I have a SIIG USB keyboard with mechanical switches. The mechanical switches greatly reduce the error rate when I type. The p8z77-vle plus BIOS does not seem to have a problem with this keyboard. Once Fedora finishes booting the keyboard

Re: gnome-shell cpu usage during installation

2013-06-20 Thread John Reiser
On 06/19/2013 07:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jun 19, 2013, at 8:44 PM, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: On 06/19/2013 06:04 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Hmm, neither the Fedora 18 or 19 Xorg.0.logs contain 'software renderer' or 'llvmpipe'. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u

Re: gnome-shell cpu usage during installation

2013-06-19 Thread John Reiser
Is there a more definitive way to tell if gnome-shell is or isn't offloading onto the GPU? $ glxinfo | grep renderer OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 128 bits) llvmpipe is the software CPU (SSE2) renderer OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD

Re: gnome-shell cpu usage during installation

2013-06-19 Thread John Reiser
Is there a more definitive way to tell if gnome-shell is or isn't offloading onto the GPU? During installation, look in /tmp/X.log for which modules get loaded. Here is what I see during install for [R200] [RV280] (PCI 1002:5960) Radeon 9250 (9200 PRO) where the installed Gnome3 system will

Re: gnome-shell cpu usage during installation

2013-06-19 Thread John Reiser
On 06/19/2013 06:04 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Hmm, neither the Fedora 18 or 19 Xorg.0.logs contain 'software renderer' or 'llvmpipe'. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3253801/F18_Xorg.0.log https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3253801/F19_Xorg.0.log For 'glxinfo' on both F18 and 19 live

Re: gnome-shell cpu usage during installation

2013-06-18 Thread John Reiser
If I try to do this in KVM (2x CPU), I see gnome-shell taking 5%, X not even displayed in top, and all CPU power going to rsync (2x 10%) and loop3 (80%). Please tell us how much virtual RAM was allocated to the KVM instance. loop3 at 80% CPU for long periods is page thrashing: re-decompressing

Re: gnome-shell cpu usage during installation

2013-06-18 Thread John Reiser
I did a pxeboot install of today's rsync using the anaconda from TC5. I ran top(1) during the install and did not notice any unusual CPU utilization. This is on a 32 GB 3770K. Which video graphics card, and which driver? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: Validation tests not yet run against Final

2013-06-15 Thread John Reiser
Here are the installation test cases which have not yet been run against any of the Final TCs for any arch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_to_PATA_device I installed Fedora-19-Final-TC3-i386-DVD.iso MATE desktop to bare metal i686 having no SATA channels and two PATA

Re: os-prober and fd0?

2013-06-10 Thread John Reiser
On 06/09/2013 10:50 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote: I have made a new installation via Final TC2 DVD iso (4.2GB). First checked my BIOS settings. Found Boot Up Floppy Seek enabled, but I also don't have a Floppy. Setting to disabled shows now the time for bootloader installieren (German Language)

Re: os-prober and fd0?

2013-06-10 Thread John Reiser
On 06/10/2013 08:37 AM, Joerg Lechner wrote: I have now disabled, all what there is to disable (including parallel and serial port, second and third boot device), enabled USB, PS2, first boot device - cdrom, network etc.. This bootloader process took now approximately 1 minute. What do

Re: bootloader very slow installation --Fedora 19 Final Test Compose 2 (TC2)

2013-06-08 Thread John Reiser
Joerg Lechner wrote: ... on an old PC (524MB Ram, 1,6 GHz, board KVTA5, 2 disks: 20GB Fedora tests, 250GB Windows XP, PATA) ... The process installing the bootloader at the end of the installation process took about half an hour. It is best to investigate using VT2. Type CtrlAltF2 (where

Re: Windows 8 EFI unbootable after F19-TC1 installation.

2013-06-06 Thread John Reiser
On 06/06/2013 06:54 AM, A.J. Werkman wrote: Op 6-6-2013 15:41, Kamil Paral schreef: Is this a Fedora problem or is hardware setup to be blamed? I think mixing UEFI and BIOS is not expected to work. But you shouldn't have any problem running both systems - just use your one-time boot menu

Re: Windows 8 EFI unbootable after F19-TC1 installation.

2013-06-06 Thread John Reiser
The output of efibootmgr --verbose is: BootCurrent: 0007 Timeout: 1 seconds BootOrder: ,0007,0008,0005,0003,0006,0004 So this time you booted from 0007 (DVD), and next time you will boot from (Windows) unless you change it. Boot* Windows Boot Manager

Re: Please help test packages!

2013-05-26 Thread John Reiser
It would be a huge help if some more people could help with the feedback. This is how it works: a) Get a FAS account, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts b) Update to F19 / install from scratch c) Run fedora-easy-karma on the command line daily What should I expect? I get no

Re: Please help test packages!

2013-05-26 Thread John Reiser
On 05/26/2013 12:55 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 05/26/2013 12:37 PM, John Reiser wrote: What should I expect? I get no error, but no much more: $ fedora-easy-karma Getting list of installed packages... Getting list of packages in updates-testing... $ echo $? 0 $ Have

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2013-05-22 Thread John Reiser
On 05/22/2013 08:30 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The old fedora-install-fedora.ks was used, 9d0717ccdad4151072a54d8f974367cad42c061d had to be picked up. The missing groups are part of environments, so these were dropped http://paste.fedoraproject.org/13689/69226468/ It would be nice if the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2013-05-22 Thread John Reiser
On 05/22/2013 12:04 PM, Clemens Eisserer wrote: As UPX requires executeables to be decompressed during startup (and furthermore does not support ELF shared libraries), An executable main program which has been compressed by UPX *can* use ELF shared libraries, and nearly all programs on Linux

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2013-05-22 Thread John Reiser
On 05/22/2013 01:24 PM, drago01 wrote: Which means you'd be better off with file system level compression. Yes, if you have administrator privileges and strategic planning, and if you can tolerate a read-only fs (or your fs can handle overwrites), then compression of the filesystem itself often

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2013-05-22 Thread John Reiser
On 05/22/2013 05:23 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 05/22/2013 01:45 PM, John Reiser wrote: On 05/22/2013 01:24 PM, drago01 wrote: Which means you'd be better off with file system level compression. Yes, if you have administrator privileges and strategic planning, and if you can tolerate a read

RC2 deltaiso for netinst does not work

2013-05-17 Thread John Reiser
The delta .iso for the i386 netinst of RC2 does not work at all. Please fix it, or flush it. 366MB download of the full netinst is not gigantic, but there was the teaser of a 23MB .diso ... Details: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test The file

Re: Fedora 19 Beta RC1 install

2013-05-16 Thread John Reiser
On 05/16/2013 09:30 PM, Lawrence Graves wrote: When will the anaconda fix be added to Fedora 19 Beta RC1 in order to complete an install. You can use the workaround right now: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=963503#c29 RC2 has been initiated:

Re: Telnet server broken in TC4

2013-05-11 Thread John Reiser
I don't know how many people are still using telnet server. I would hope very few. SSH is much more secure and already enabled by default. ;) There are local networks that truly are local, providing services for the _development_ of small embedded devices (think microcontrollers) where telnet

Re: Many different failures with Fedora-19-Beta-TC3-x86_64-netinst.iso, no successes

2013-05-04 Thread John Reiser
I do not see where any logs are for this. Anaconda keeps its logs in /tmp, not in /var/log. The syslog is not in /var/log/messages but instead is in /tmp/syslog. -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: f19alpha, hang booting a command list

2013-04-26 Thread John Reiser
What is the exact kernel F19 is using? Since I can't boot it, and its name on the stick is just vmlinuz, I can't tell what it is. file vmlinuz prints the kernel version. -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: f19alpha, hang booting a command list

2013-04-25 Thread John Reiser
On 04/25/2013 06:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm stumped on how to get more information during the boot process. At this point I don't have enough information to file a bug. F18 works OK on this computer. Even with 3.9 kernels with a regression related to fb or nouveau, I still get kernel

Re: f19alpha, hang booting a command list

2013-04-25 Thread John Reiser
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT] [10de:0407] (rev a1) A very ordinary card, somewhat older. What does F18 say in syslog /var/log/messages regarding any 'conflict's in address space during initialization of the linux kernel? Not sure.

Re: Fedora 19 on 386

2013-04-23 Thread John Reiser
On 04/22/2013 06:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-04-22 19:24 (GMT-0400) Fernando Cassia composed: I remember Pentium III machines came from the USB 1.x era, not USB 2.0. So likely your BIOS won't allow you to boot from a USB-anything port using mass storage devices. PIII predates USB2

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2013-04-15 Thread John Reiser
As per the Fedora 19 schedule [1], Fedora 19 Alpha Release Candidate 3 (RC3) is now available for testing. The Live spins do not have -RC3- in the name: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/19-Alpha-RC3/Live/i386/ Fedora-Live-Desktop-i686-19-Alpha-1.iso 16-Apr-2013 01:40 963M

Re: Another UEFI testing request

2013-04-15 Thread John Reiser
UEFI install of RC3 failed for me because of another instance of Bug 949786, auto-reported as duplicate with new Comment. TC6 had succeeded for me. A second attempt using RC3 also failed for the same reason. This time I'll upload more files from /tmp. -- -- test mailing list

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Release Candidate 2 (RC2) Available Now!

2013-04-10 Thread John Reiser
LXDE Live iso still not ok. Successful boot not possible. Has a bug been filed? And for each bug you find you search for duplicates if none found file a report against the relevant component The original poster asks for the *name* of the Component. If the LXDE Live spin does not boot, then

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Release Candidate 2 (RC2) Available Now!

2013-04-10 Thread John Reiser
My question remains. In cases such as this, what component get the bugzilla? LiveCD - LXDE -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: UEFI testing of F19 Alpha RC2 requested

2013-04-10 Thread John Reiser
One question: can I just download the netinst and point it at a local development/19 mirror, or do I need to download the full DVD? Alternately: is it sufficient to just boot from the images in my local development/19 mirror (so I don't have to download anything new)? You must use bare

Re: UEFI testing of F19 Alpha RC2 requested

2013-04-10 Thread John Reiser
I have such a machine. What kind of media should I test - usb, disc, pxe, all of the above? Should I report results here? Anything which causes the installer to attempt to setup the installed system so that the installed system boots using UEFI. Usually this means that the installer itself

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 3 (TC3) Available Now!

2013-03-29 Thread John Reiser
Early on 03/29/2013: *IMPORTANT*: All DVDs and Lives with the exception of Live KDE and Live SoaS are oversized, so will not fit on the standard media. It would have helped me to add something like, The pending fix for bug 923547 was used during construction of TC3, so all the Lives are now

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 3 (TC3) Available Now!

2013-03-29 Thread John Reiser
On 03/29/2013, Adam Williamson wrote: Sure, we knew it was yum. But working around the problem using an F18 yum build wouldn't be a good way to go about things, because it's not like we can ship F19 or even the final Alpha with an F18 yum build. What I had in mind was running yum.fc18 on

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

2013-03-26 Thread John Reiser
On 03/26/2013 07:10 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 00:17:35 -0400, Andre Robatino robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: *IMPORTANT*: All DVDs and Lives are oversized, so will not fit on the standard media. Does anyone know the reason for this? I see this is likely breaking

Re: where to report kernel/nouveau regression?

2013-03-25 Thread John Reiser
So, new bug, but file it against kernel or xorg-x11-drv-nouveau? If kill -TERM pid_of_/usr/bin/Xorg does restart the X server and results in a graphical display, then perhaps -nouveau might be better? This report: [NVA8][Nouveau] GPU lockup - switching to software fbcon

Re: [HEADS UP] initramfs - dracut - systemd

2013-03-15 Thread John Reiser
# koji download-build --arch=$(arch) systemd-198-6.fc19 # koji download-build --arch=$(arch) dracut-026-48.git20130315.fc19 # rpm -Fvh systemd*.rpm dracut*.rpm error: Failed dependencies: systemd = 198-4.fc19 is needed by (installed) libgudev1-198-4.fc19.i686 -- -- test mailing list

Re: [rawhide] install method testing wanted

2013-03-05 Thread John Reiser
If anyone has some time and is willing to help out, could you try to get a rawhide install by booting a f18 dvd/netinstall and trying to enable just the rawhide repo and disable the rest. Does anaconda even allow you to do this anymore these days? Does it work? I booted

Re: No 19 yet in Bugzilla version field

2013-02-07 Thread John Reiser
Is there magic for bugs against 18 that are also bugs in 19 once branch happens? I have participated in several bugzilla reports of this kind (bug in Fedora N remains unfixed as Fedora N+1 appears with new package) but I have not seen any magic. The original reporter, or some person with

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread John Reiser
dd is recommended dead last, really? Under some conditions, livecd-iso-to-disk can be a lot faster because it uses rsync to update an existing Packages directory. So if you have a USB stick of full install for RC1, then running livecd-iso-to-disk using RC2.iso will transfer only updated

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread John Reiser
Yeah OK but the first media recommended is still DVD/CD which also doesn't allow for persistent user data. The modern equivalent is to dd to a USB stick. In fact I think this idea of burning actual media is immensely wasteful and archaic and shouldn't be the first recommended media anymore.

Re: f18 i386 installer memory requirements

2013-01-08 Thread John Reiser
On 01/08/2013 04:47 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: i'm trying install f18 on older i686 machine (1.8GHz P4 CPU/512 MB RAM/160 GB HDD/Radeon 9000 64MB graphics), doing NFS graphical installation with XFCE desktop (and several add-ons groups). Installation started from installation CD

Re: TSC calibration failed

2012-12-24 Thread John Reiser
Is there a fix for this error message TSC calibration failed that shows up in the boot sequence on Fedora 18. It is likely that this is an issue between the Linux kernel and your hardware+BIOS, and has little to do with Fedora itself. I haven't seen the message on any of three machines with

Re: No more Radeon HDMI audio on Fedora 18?

2012-12-13 Thread John Reiser
The audio output in pavucontrol can be dynamically moved between my internal audio / speaker and the HDMI TV, the internal audio produces sound while the TV does not. One of the problems that I had was the Configuration tab displayed by pavucontrol had Profile: Off instead of Profile: Digital

Re: Anaconda crashes trying to install Inkscape

2012-12-11 Thread John Reiser
Maybe there should be two groups of packages: important (core or whatever) that must be installed and other (not important) that might fail to install? It is a general failing of anaconda that there is no way to recover from errors except by starting over from the beginning. Meanwhile,

Re: Reclaim disk space doesn't reuse existing swap, should it?

2012-12-07 Thread John Reiser
On 12/07/2012 06:47 AM, Richard Ryniker wrote: Probably not. There are too many possibilities to make reasonable any default except do what the user explicitly says is desired. Except that for many years installing has collected all discoverable swap partitions, and put them into /etc/fstab

Re: Changes between TC8 and TC9

2012-11-16 Thread John Reiser
On 11/16/2012 12:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2012-11-16 at 20:44 +0100, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Sorry, maybe it's obvious but where can I find list of changes made between TC8 and TC9 releases? I've had some issues with anaconda and don't know if anything has changed from tc8 to

Re: post install very slooow

2012-11-13 Thread John Reiser
I suspect the use case is 'test every version of OS/distro that comes down the pipe'... if that's your goal, your choices are: 1) virt 2) LVM (note: Linux only) 3) pile'o'partitions For those that can't do #2, and don't feel like doing #1... Yes. Customers want to do _their own_ work;

Re: post install very slooow

2012-11-11 Thread John Reiser
On 11/10/2012 08:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: That's fine and interesting, but we switched to grub2 in F16. The original poster was comparing F18 to F16, and I compared F18 to F17 and found F18 slower. grub2 vs. grub1 cannot logically explain differences between releases from F16 onwards.

Re: post install very slooow

2012-11-10 Thread John Reiser
I noticed the post install processing in f16 lasted only a few seconds, not the seemingly interminable wait a Fedora 18 install takes. If you have many partitions, then the grub2 operating system prober takes a while to construct grub.cfg: more than half a minute for my three dozen partitions.

Re: post install very slooow

2012-11-10 Thread John Reiser
36 partitions? Really? I thought GPT's 128+ partitions is actually an inside joke, ergo you know if we give users this particular hurt me button, some will actually try it. 45 partitions across 4 drives in one box, 40 partitions across 4 drives in another. Several OS, several distros, many

Re: post install very slooow

2012-11-10 Thread John Reiser
If you have many partitions, then the grub2 operating system prober takes a while to construct grub.cfg: more than half a minute for my three dozen partitions. This is new with grub2 instead of grub. Is there a bug for this? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875356 -- -- test

Re: No @virtualization for the cow?

2012-10-23 Thread John Reiser
On 10/23/2012 05:54 AM, Andre Robatino wrote: Karel Volný kvolny at redhat.com writes: why doesn't yum say Warning: Group virtualization has all packages installed. Nothing to do The corresponding message for a single package looks like Package virt-manager-0.9.4-1.fc17.noarch already

Re: F18 Do I need swap partiton with btrfs?

2012-10-21 Thread John Reiser
Am looking at root drive. Can I /boot (ext4), / (btrfs), or do I need swap also? Read the manual page man swapon: swapon may not work correctly when using a swap file with some versions of btrfs. Thus if you want to allow the kernel to swap, then using a swap file that resides on btrfs

Re: F18 Install /home to /sdb?

2012-10-19 Thread John Reiser
I haven't found a way yet with Latest TC4 to install /home to /sdb. One way that is supposed to work: choose custom partitioning, select both drives as destinations (click once on each icon), then proceed and assign mount points as desired. -- -- test mailing list

Re: Cleanup : libuser-devel-0.57.6-2.fc18.x86_64 hangs yum STAT

2012-10-14 Thread John Reiser
On 10/14/2012 05:42 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: On 10/14/2012 05:25 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: Cleanup: libuser-devel-0.57.6-2.fc18.x86_64 313/569 Makes yum hang. Is there a fix? Killing yum leaves the yum database corrupted and may render

Re: dracut-initqueue[197]: Warning: Could not boot, ... /dev/root does not exist

2012-10-10 Thread John Reiser
dracut-initqueue[196]: Warning: could not boot dracut-initqueue[196]: Warning: /dev/disk/by-label/Fedora-18-BetaTC3-x86_64-Live-D does not exist dracut-initqueue[196]: Warning: /dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist Entering emergency mode. Exit the shell to continue Type journalctl to

Re: dracut-initqueue[197]: Warning: Could not boot, ... /dev/root does not exist

2012-10-10 Thread John Reiser
I am booting from a DVD via a usb device. The computer only has a cd drive and the Live-Desktop image is 700 MB so I have to use a DVD to boot the Desktop DVD. One of my boxes has CD only, and USB1.1 only. I plug in an external DVD with USB2.0 interface into a PCMCIA (cardbus) card which

Re: Release criteria proposal: partitioning (alpha and beta)

2012-09-30 Thread John Reiser
the proposed partitioning criteria for F18 So that leaves Beta. Here's what I've come up with for Beta so far: * The installer must be able to complete an installation using automatic partitioning to a disk with sufficient empty space, using the empty space and leaving the existing

Re: [Test-Announce] Join Fedora X Test Week - Nouveau, Radeon, Intel (2012-09-25 - 2012-09-27)

2012-09-24 Thread John Reiser
Do you have any old or new graphic hardware, working or not? Join this test week and help us to hunt down driver bugs before Fedora 18 Beta release! There is doubt about whether this particular test day is worth the time. At a minimum, don't bother with any Radeon card that is less than a

Re: [Test-Announce] Join Fedora X Test Week - Nouveau, Radeon, Intel (2012-09-25 - 2012-09-27)

2012-09-24 Thread John Reiser
On 09/24/2012 02:59 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 13:30 -0700, John Reiser wrote: Do you have any old or new graphic hardware, working or not? Join this test week and help us to hunt down driver bugs before Fedora 18 Beta release! There is doubt about whether this particular

Re: [Test-Announce] Join Fedora X Test Week - Nouveau, Radeon, Intel (2012-09-25 - 2012-09-27)

2012-09-24 Thread John Reiser
Gnome3 is not putting any effort into fallback mode. So my Radeon 9250 purchased new in 2006 as a mid-life upgrade for a box with 1.6GHz Pentium 4 (well above the Fedora minimum CPU) also runs only XFCE. Gnome3 forces fallback mode, where some Desktop features are *dropped* instead of

Re: RC 3.1 Really broken

2012-09-15 Thread John Reiser
On 09/15/2012 12:57 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: I downloaded the 64 bit RC 3.1 and burned another DVD+R. It seems to me that 3.1 was abandoned: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-September/110061.html Just to clarify, the Gold images (both install and lives) are

Re: More experiences with Spherical Cow

2012-09-09 Thread John Reiser
so I'll measure Fedora 17 Release (x86_64) on 3GHz CPU, 8GB RAM, SATA II: Duration Activity 12m26s write DVD+RW (3.8GB; 4X) 5m00s write DVD+R (3.8GB; 16X) -=-=-=- 3m48s Boot DVD+R, go until Starting installation process

Re: F18 Alpha action needed: karma for blocker-fixing updates and votes on proposed blocker/NTH bugs

2012-09-08 Thread John Reiser
... as things stand, we're one bug away from an RC compose. Please give an explicit list of the literal package names which would go into the RC compose, at least the ones that are not in fedora + fedora-updates. About 8 hours ago pungi aborted when I tried to compose a DVD from fedora +

Re: More experiences with Spherical Cow

2012-09-08 Thread John Reiser
On 09/08/2012 03:49 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: Lately I have been able to install new versions of Spherical Cow using pxeboot with the liveos squashfs. Installing over a gigabit Ethernet is orders of magnitude faster than burning a DVD-RW That's a big problem right there.

Re: New pre-TC4 test images

2012-08-30 Thread John Reiser
http://imagebuilder.fedoraproject.org/testimage/18/pretc4-2/Fedora-18a-pretc4-2-x86_64-netinst.iso - anaconda-18.6.2-1.fc18 This package does not show up after a search for 'anaconda' on https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates . This prevents leaving karma. Booting netinst.iso from DVD

Re: will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?

2012-07-06 Thread John Reiser
On 07/06/2012 12:11 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Andre Robatino robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I attempted installation using Fedora-20120703-x86_64-916dfe7-netinst.iso and found that it only allows choosing one desktop. ... No, they can still be installed after

Re: Dual monitor VM testing

2012-06-26 Thread John Reiser
I would like to test a dual Monitor F17 system on a VM. I have access to VMWARE and QEMU ... Please be more specific. Two monitors on the same graphics card?; or: two monitors each on a different backplane graphics card?; or: two monitors, one on a backplane graphics card, plus one on a

Re: EDID error on fedora 17

2012-06-25 Thread John Reiser
I want to set non-plugable multiseat under fedora 17. i get the error no valid EDID on one of the two monitors. I get this Error on LG and SAMSUNG LCD monitors. Changing NVIIDA graphic card to ATI Radeon was of mo use. the other card is INTEL on board. Please tell us the model number of each

Re: EDID error on fedora 17

2012-06-25 Thread John Reiser
I want to set non-plugable multiseat under fedora 17. i get the error no valid EDID on one of the two monitors. I get this Error on LG and SAMSUNG LCD monitors. Changing NVIIDA graphic card to ATI Radeon was of mo use. the other card is INTEL on board.

Re: Ideas for analyzing the history of blocker bugs

2012-06-22 Thread John Reiser
Look at the time difference between blocker status (first bugzilla'd, nominated for blocker, and/or confirmed) and the package revision (culprit created, then fixed.) There might be some relationship between problem packages and frequency of releases. -- -- test mailing list

Re: Nightly Composes?

2012-06-04 Thread John Reiser
On 06/04/2012 07:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I usually wait a week or so around release, since I don't want people looking for f17 to grab them. I'll update and look at doing a batch tomorrow. Anaconda newUI may be a significant customer of nightly builds for F18 rawhide. See

Re: f17 and ATI RAGE128

2012-05-26 Thread John Reiser
Peter, how in general do you want to proceed where we have documented cases of graphics mode setting failure in grub2? Do you want individual bug reports for each affected bit of hardware? Downstream, upstream? What kind of info should be included? Thanks! What's not good enough about using

Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-04 Thread John Reiser
On 05/03/2012 07:05 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: My personal opinion is that Core and up are pretty tolerable and anything less kind of isn't but also already kind of wasn't. But I no longer really have any idea whether my threshold for acceptable interactivity matches that of anyone else. Nor

Re: dependency problems: samba4-client-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686 from updates-testing

2012-05-02 Thread John Reiser
Packages skipped because of dependency problems: 1:samba4-client-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686 from updates-testing 1:samba4-common-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686 from updates-testing 1:samba4-dc-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686 from updates-testing 1:samba4-dc-libs-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686

Re: Palimsest discrepancy

2012-04-30 Thread John Reiser
Palimsest in Fedora 16 reports a disk (MAXTOR STM3320620AS) as failing: DISK HAS MANY BAD SECTORS etc. SMART: 197 Current pending Sector Count Value -4 sectors. Palimsest in Fedora 17 beta reports the same disk (MAXTOR STM3320620AS) as OK SMART: 197 Current pending Sector Count 0

Re: Karma needed for builds intended for TC1

2012-04-25 Thread John Reiser
you're not providing much useful data. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816238 -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: GSoC 2012: On-Demand Fedora Build Service

2012-04-25 Thread John Reiser
how we could build a more friendly image building system to help the Fedora QA community during the testing phase. Short latency tends to improve friendliness. By fiddling with pungi environment, I'm down to about 9.5 minutes to create an install .iso after downloads have finished. If

Re: Karma needed for builds intended for TC1

2012-04-24 Thread John Reiser
http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/iso/20120424_f17-preTC1.x64.boot.iso EFI booting eventually fails. I see the splash screen (night sky with aurorae), the 5-second count down, allocating 1239 pages, [Linux-EFI, setup=...], some flashes similar to VGA reset, then the ordinary Grub boot of my

Re: Karma needed for builds intended for TC1

2012-04-24 Thread John Reiser
On 04/24/2012 02:56 PM, Tim Flink wrote: http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/iso/20120424_f17-preTC1-3.x64.boot.iso I haven't done a bare metal install with this iso yet but it boots for me on multiple EFI machines, so I'm pretty confident that the kinks have been worked out. EFI booting that DVD

Re: Grubs really aren't very attractive...

2012-04-22 Thread John Reiser
What is it you do not like about the defaults such that you are chainloading ? I have a couple dozen different OS root partitions: back to Fedora 6 (some cases with both 32-bit and 64-bit variants), back to Ubuntu 7.10, SuSE, Debian testing, plus that Other OS. I like to identify the OS by

Re: Dracut Shell?

2012-04-20 Thread John Reiser
What can I do with it in Rawhide. Have been dumped there during bootup. The shell itself has reasonable features, but the executables in $PATH are few, in order to make initramfs small. Find the executables by: echo $PATH; echo /*bin/* etc. -- -- test mailing list

Re: rpmbuild --target=i686 on x86_64 fails in configure

2012-04-14 Thread John Reiser
What should I do to make rpmbuild work for --target=i686? Does this work: export CC=gcc -m32 rpmbuild -ba --target=i686 ... -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER

2012-04-13 Thread John Reiser
On 04/13/2012 06:48 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Release notes seem fine. Basically, removable media mounted in the user's session are now mounted in a user-specific directory. There's still a problem: cold-plugged media, or even warm-plugged media. Cold-plugged (before boot) should be mounted

Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER

2012-04-13 Thread John Reiser
However, they aren't recognized [mounted] at all (not even upon subsequent graphical login), and this is bad. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722712 where there is some argument whether udisks2 or gvfs should bear the blame. Cold- or warm-plugged filesystem devices do

Re: rescue mode?

2012-04-12 Thread John Reiser
Has rescue mode been removed? If so, what can I use instead? Append rescue to the end of the kernel boot command line. With an install DVD: type 'e' to get the boot stanza, use the keyboard arrow keys to move to the line which begins kernel, type another 'e' to edit the kernel line. Append

Re: Proposal: stop holding composes for preupgrade bugs at Alpha and Beta phases

2012-04-10 Thread John Reiser
On 04/09/2012 10:05 PM, Dan Mashal top-posted: 1) Yum should be intelligent enough to recognize this 2) yum-plugin-fastestmirror solves this problem. 3) I think we all upgraded from 14.4k modems a few years ago. Replying in top post style may work for a management discussion, but for a

Re: Proposal: stop holding composes for preupgrade bugs at Alpha and Beta phases

2012-04-10 Thread John Reiser
On 04/10/2012 07:03 AM, Horst H. von Brand wrote: John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: A close-to-optimal strategy for typical cable modem ISP is: 1. Sort the download list by size of file to be downloaded. 2. Run two parallel threads. The first thread downloads

Re: Proposal: stop holding composes for preupgrade bugs at Alpha and Beta phases

2012-04-09 Thread John Reiser
On 04/09/2012 07:18 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: As I said in the meeting let's just deprecate it [in favor of yum+network]. The problems I have seen with using only yum+network to perform a distro version upgrade are: 1. It's a poor idea to be running almost anything else on the box at the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 17 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2012-04-04 Thread John Reiser
Does a pxeboot install from a freshly rsync'd f17 tree give the same kernel et al. as installing from the rc3 dvd?What about yum update? Which gets the latest?? No. RC3 gives kernel-3.3.0-1; updates-testing has kernel-3.3.0-8. -- -- test mailing list

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 17 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2012-04-04 Thread John Reiser
On 04/04/2012 12:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: On 04/04/2012 11:51 AM, John Reiser wrote: Does a pxeboot install from a freshly rsync'd f17 tree give the same kernel et al. as installing from the rc3 dvd?What about yum update? Which gets the latest?? No. RC3 gives

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-30 Thread John Reiser
How do I find the most recent image? There is only one Release image ever made and distributed by Fedora, so if the checksum matches then you have the latest official image. Updates are distributed electronically via yum in the repository that is designated in

Re: Fc17 updates-testing...

2012-03-28 Thread John Reiser
What I do not see is Fedora 17 updates-testing reports? Can someone enlighten me??? I get them daily by subscription to the [test] list; see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: [Test-Announce] Test Day 2012-03-29: GNOME Shell Software Rendering

2012-03-28 Thread John Reiser
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-03-29_Gnome_Shell_Software_Rendering#How_to_test.3F Please let me know if there's anything I can clarify there. Please give the next level of detail in Testing older video cards may require creating and editing xorg.conf, or moving the DRI drivers

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