Re: [Proposal] Dropping YYYY-MM-DD from Test Day Page Title

2023-03-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
It seems to me that in going from single-day testing to a multiday test season, one has produced a situation in which the date specifies more than desired. One possibility is to produce a page named in accordance with what is being done, rather than when it is done. Once the date has settled, a

Re: What to do after a system crash during dnf upgrade

2023-01-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, George R Goffe via test wrote: Running dnf upgrade during periods of system instability seems to leave the system in an unknown state. How does one recover from this situation? I believe the standard advice is to make a backup and reinstall. Making a backup likely

Re: Again? The password

2015-08-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:51:29 -0700 Samuel Sieb sam...@sieb.net wrote: On 07/29/2015 02:10 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: How could I customize the password settings for installing from the gui? You would need to add a

Re: Again? The password

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:39:55 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: The above is stuff thats all being worked on, yelling at anyone is unlikely to change the speed at which it gets done. What does worked on mean? I have

Re: Again? The password

2015-07-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: There is more than a draft. There is code that is annoying people, hence this thread. The suggested change that suppsedly is not here yet is to have

Re: Again? The password

2015-07-27 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:27:32 -0400 Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Anyway, for those who don't think this is a good idea, I've opened a bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1246771 Please don't. This is being worked out via a

Re: Consistent names changed yet again?

2014-08-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014, Lars Seipel wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 02:25:46PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: Some ethernet hardware on embedded systems doesn't have built-in MAC addresses. Not having any is not the same as changed. They generate one at boot-time. Not that it matters much

Re: Consistent names changed yet again?

2014-08-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
Would someone explain this to me: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ wrote: For a longer time udev shipped support for assigning permanent ethX names to certain interfaces based on their MAC addresses. This turned out to have a multitude of

Re: Consistent names changed yet again?

2014-08-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 08/06/2014 10:48 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: wrote: For a longer time udev shipped support for assigning permanent ethX names to certain interfaces based on their MAC addresses. This turned out to have a multitude of problems, among them

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Kamil Paral wrote: 3. Third, if everything goes wrong and you end up in a dracut shell, could we at least advise our users what went wrong and what to do with it? Because the current output is very scary and very hard to decipher by a general user:

Re: What does one do about a package maintainer with an attitude problem?

2013-07-23 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Jonathan Kamens wrote: I filed another defect about the same package because one of its dialogs provided several pieces of incorrect information about a particular configuration setting and how to change it. He responded, Oh, that screen is wrong, we don't actually use that

Re: What does one do about a package maintainer with an attitude problem?

2013-07-23 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Jonathan Kamens wrote: On 07/23/2013 04:00 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Are all the bugs under discussion ABRT bugs? All of the bugs which prompted me to start this thread on the test list fall into one of two categories: reproducible bugs where reproduction steps were

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-20 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, Adam Williamson wrote: There are probably a thousand questions we could ask at the first stage of install that would allow various small groups of people to have a more 'tailored' installer in some way. How do you decide which to ask and which not to ask? One might put

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-19 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 15:02 -0500, John Morris wrote: So lemme recap what you have been saying in this and other posts The current design breaks both internationalization and accessability and you recognize that reality. Fixing these problems

Re: Detecting Time Zone - F19-TC1

2013-06-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Ed Greshko wrote: How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country / language? ??? My recollection is that it doesn't, it asks. That said, F15 is the last one I was able to install. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell

Re: F18 Install /home to /sdb?

2012-10-20 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012, Frank Murphy wrote: On 19/10/12 23:34, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Frank Murphy wrote: I havn't found a way yet with Latest TC4 to install /home to /sdb. Not too panicked as yet (pre-beta), but do hope it's an option for final. Do you really want

Re: F18 Install /home to /sdb?

2012-10-19 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Frank Murphy wrote: I havn't found a way yet with Latest TC4 to install /home to /sdb. Not too panicked as yet (pre-beta), but do hope it's an option for final. Do you really want to make /home an entire drive? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Monday, I'm

Re: will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?

2012-07-10 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Matteo Settenvini wrote: If we really are talking about newbies here, keep in mind that people are *scared* of too much options. If you ask them if they want KDE, GNOME, XFCE, ... they will just stare blindly before going back in the system were you didn't need to know all

Re: will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012, David Lehman wrote: I can tell you from personal experience that Fedora has both real and imaginary idiots. Just kidding. We have two opposing groups of users: Those who think the installer should have a knob for whatever their obscure pet option is, and those who believe it

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-05-03 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 23:46 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: What should I do about the messages? Would yum reinstalling some packages, e.g. selinux-policy-targeted, help? What are the consequences of just ignoring them? At this point I'd say file

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 09:55 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: Which of these should I worry about? [root@localhost ~]# grep -v stall install.log warning: fontpackages-filesystem-1.44-2.fc15.noarch: Header

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-24 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: I wouldn't be hugely worried about any of them. Try doing a full install and I suspect a lot of the above 'weirdness' would go away. Will do. Done. Which of these should I worry about? [root

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-19 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 16:48 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. Why not? In F16, it was mounted. In Windows, it's mounted. In Mac OS, it's mounted. Why

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-19 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: I wouldn't be hugely worried about any of them. Try doing a full install and I suspect a lot of the above 'weirdness' would go away. Will do. Done. The problems that I am aware of so far: I seem

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-19 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 13:09 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: The problems that I am aware of so far: I seem to be stuck with KDE though I specified at least two other desktops. The login screen did

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-18 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I've booted F16. My old-grub stanza: title chainload to sda kernel (hd1,1)/grub2/core.img As I didn't expect it to work, I only installed the minimal version. There are a few things

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-14 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: Alright, I looked at the pics you posted and it appears that you have reproduced this anaconda crash during the bootloader installation: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796472 I was looking at the included exception report and it seems this

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-14 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: On 04/14/2012 04:29 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: The next time, I made /boot sda2 and picked sda for the bootloader. This time I got an install, but I'm not sure how to boot to it. I'd rather not have to play with the BIOS every time I want to boot

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: On 04/12/2012 10:51 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: On 04/12/2012 07:12 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: No selinux message, but Still no go. I took some pictures of the Details message, I'm not getting anything at that URL

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
Why can grub find one file and not the other? [root@localhost homes]# pwd /homes [root@localhost homes]# df / /homes Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sdb1082582288 32223896 46163628 42% / /dev/sdb1 38456308 35386332 1116476

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-12 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: On 04/11/2012 08:52 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: Here is the final grub stanza: title Install Fedora16 from iso 11 15:34 root (hd0,2) kernel /isolinux16/vmlinuz repo=hd:LABEL=/home1:/iso16 acpi=off

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-12 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: The description of that patch suggests that passing any one of these kernel parameters will prevent the problem. acpi=off processor.nocst=1 maxcpus=1 I'm getting to anaconda now. When I tried the upgrade

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-12 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: On 04/12/2012 07:12 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: No selinux message, but Still no go. I took some pictures of the Details message, but the three are 60KB a piece after processing, 2MB before. Should I send them to the list? I put them on http

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-12 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, cornel panceac wrote: this may be of help, too. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum I'm trying it, but I'm feeling fuzzy at Install the new fedora gpg key for the version you are updating to Would this command do it: rpm --import

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: If this is the kernel bug you are referring to, perhaps there is a workaround you could use to get your minimal CD running in order to do an install. The description of that patch suggests that passing any one of these kernel parameters will prevent the

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, mwesten wrote: If this is the kernel bug you are referring to, perhaps there is a workaround you could use to get your minimal CD running in order to do an install. The description of that patch suggests that passing any one

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-10 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2012-04-09 at 21:14 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm pretty sure there must be a less strange and rarely-used way of doing it that would be usable in your situation... If you know what

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-09 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/04/08 17:08 (GMT-0500) Michael Hennebry composed: Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/04/06 15:24 (GMT-0500) Michael Hennebry composed: On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: How about cloning your F15, and upgrading that to F16 with latest

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-09 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, cornel panceac wrote: this may be of help, too. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum Indeed it might. It looks hairier than preupgrade, but it avoids anaconda. That might avoid the land mine that causes crashes when I try to do an install. -- Michael

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-09 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-08 at 17:08 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: It's now been moe than a month sicne I started trying to install F16. Grrr. To be honest, I've mostly tuned out this thread because you seem to have become intent on doing it in a very

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-08 Thread Michael Hennebry
It's now been moe than a month sicne I started trying to install F16. Grrr. On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/04/06 15:24 (GMT-0500) Michael Hennebry composed: On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: How about cloning your F15, and upgrading that to F16 with latest fixes

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/04/06 12:35 (GMT-0500) Michael Hennebry composed: Felix Miata wrote: Maybe it's time to dispense with the script (menu.lst/grub.conf) CLUE ^^ CLUE :-) I don't understand how

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/04/06 15:24 (GMT-0500) Michael Hennebry composed: On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: How about cloning your F15, and upgrading that to F16 with latest fixes with Yum? I suppose I could clone my F15 by copying its partition, but I

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
My most recent attempt to install F17, used the following grub stanza: title Felix17 find /felix17/vmlinuz pause find /felix17/vmlinuz kernel (hd0,2)/felix17/vmlinuz repo=http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/fedora/development/17/i386/os noapic noacpi nolapic pause

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 5 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/04/05 16:46 (GMT-0500) Michael Hennebry composed: My most recent attempt to install F17, used the following grub stanza: title Felix17 find /felix17/vmlinuz pause find /felix17/vmlinuz kernel (hd0,2)/felix17/vmlinuz repo=http

Re: Unable to read package metadata

2012-04-03 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Felix Miata wrote: I filed a bug and found a workaround: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809470 This is your workaround: title Install Rawhide (hd0,13) kernel (hd0,2)/fedora/vmlinuz repo=http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/fedora/development/17/i386/os

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-02 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 10:05:50PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: This approximately what I'd been trying to do. This is what I'd been using to try to boot F17-alpha: title Install Fedora17 from iso root (hd0,2) find /isolinux17

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-02 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 10:05:50PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: This approximately what I'd been trying to do. This is what I'd been using to try to boot F17-alpha: title Install Fedora17 from iso

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-02 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: Here is the grub stanza I used this time: title Install Fedora17 from iso root (hd0,2) pause have rooted (hd0,2) find /isolinux17/vmlinuz pause have finded kernel /isolinux17/vmlinuz kernel /isolinux17/vmlinuz repo

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-02 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 11:30:47AM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: AFAIK 'askmethod' is no longer valid. Use repo=... Arrrg. Syntax!!! kernel /isolinux17/vmlinuz repo=hd:LABEL=/home1

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-01 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 16:39:56 -0500, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Can they be booted without media? Possibly, but I am not sure how to do it. I usually use livecd-iso-to-disk

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-01 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 10:49:56AM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: My machine won't boot with a USB drive attached and my burner does not work. Can one boot using a partition that is an iso image? I've mounted such partitions

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-01 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 02:26:45PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: menuentry 'Anaconda' { load_video set gfxpayload=keep insmod gzio insmod part_msdos insmod ext2 linux (hd0

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-01 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 04:53:32PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: Is there an equivalent in grub 1? OK, so what do you really mean by grub 1? You either have grub-0.97-... or grub2-1.99-... a.k.a. grub2. I thought that by grub 1 you meant

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
In bugzilla bug 808300, Josh Boyer wrote: D865GBF is one of the motherboards that was broken due to an ACPICA change. It was fixed in an updated kernel, but the F16 media cannot be updated. See bugs 73007 727865. Can you please try the nightly F17 live images, or the upcoming F17 beta? I can

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
In my most recent efforts, I added noapci to the kernel command line. In the case of F17, the last line I could read before catatonia included unpacking initramfs. F16 was similar, but it was to fast for me to read well. Here are the grub stanzas: title Install Fedora17 from iso root

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 01:26:26 -0500, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: In bugzilla bug 808300, Josh Boyer wrote: D865GBF is one of the motherboards that was broken due to an ACPICA change. It was fixed in an updated kernel

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Josh Boyer wrote: Actually, there was a change in the ACPICA code that broke a number of P4 motherboards entirely that went out with F16. That was in 2.6.39, and F16 shipped with 3.1, and it wasn't fixed until last month. I have no idea if that is the issue Michael is

F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
Has F17 been tested to see whether it will install on a Pentium 4? Recently I installed F15 because I could not get the F16 installer to boot. I can get the F13, F14 and F15 installers to boot without media. The F16 installer was a no go, both without media and with a minimal CD. In both cases, I

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 29 March 2012 11:25, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: Has F17 been tested to see whether it will install on a Pentium 4? Recently I installed F15 because I could not get the F16 installer to boot. I can get the F13, F14

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/03/29 14:30 (GMT-0500) Michael Hennebry composed: Stephen John Smoogen wrote: What kind of Pentium IV. There were several versions and also multiple motherboards all of which will affect whether this question can be answered. Stepping 9

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Felix Miata wrote: If you want NX for your existing motherboard you'd probably have to find a Prescott 478, which may never have existed, and even if it does, might not be supported by your BIOS or any available upgrade for it. I'm not looking for NX. I only mentioned it

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mar 29, 2012 9:34 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Felix Miata wrote: If you want NX for your existing motherboard you'd probably have to find a Prescott 478, which may never have existed, and even

Re: Is there some trick to booting F16 minimal install CD? (fwd)

2012-03-10 Thread Michael Hennebry
I don't know about virt-install or much about booting, so I don't know what, if any, relationship this has with bug 785815. Tried first in users. 'Twas suggested I come here. On Thu, 8 Mar 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: I made a minimal CD to start