Re: Fedora 20 RC1 AMIs

2013-12-14 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Fri, 13 Dec 2013 23:13:01 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org escribió: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:05:05PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Note, these are the GA images. Hey Dennis, will the images going to mirrors be these or the ones

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On lau 14.des 2013 00:54, Adam Williamson wrote: That requires will on the part of the desktop SIGs, though. QA is not going to be responsible for this. My position is either the desktop SIGs fix their stuff, or we will have to change the criteria as I proposed, because what other choice do we

Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
While in RC1.1 anaconda booted with UEFI I was able to ftp the files in /tmp to my server. I then rebooted my office machine to RC1.1 that had been installed without UEFI. I tried fpaste again on these files and fpaste failed again: -r--r--r-- 1 caf omen 149K Dec 14 04:32 syslog

Network Manager questions on F20RC1

2013-12-14 Thread Robert M. Albrecht
Hi, my system has a built in ethernet interface wich is working perfectly fine on IPV4 and IPV6. I added a second interface via usb for wiresharking some stuff (this way I don't get my own traffic in the packet dumps). I don't want or need an IP-stack on this second interface. In network

Re: [Test-Announce] Important note regarding /root permissions for those who installed Fedora 20 pre-releases

2013-12-14 Thread cornel panceac
2013/12/13 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com Hi, folks. I wanted to draw the attention of anyone who used Fedora 20 pre-release (Alpha, Beta, or TC/RC for Alpha, Beta or Final) to this issue:

Re: Fedora 21 and 22 trackers created

2013-12-14 Thread Dan Mossor
On 12/13/2013 08:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hey folks - just a quick note, I've created the F21 and F22 blocker/FE tracker bugs and updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers . The F21 tracker bugs have the 'non-versioned' aliases (AlphaBlocker, BetaBlocker

Re: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 04:46 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: While in RC1.1 anaconda booted with UEFI I was able to ftp the files in /tmp to my server. I then rebooted my office machine to RC1.1 that had been installed without UEFI. I tried fpaste again on these files and fpaste failed

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/14/2013 06:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2013 05:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: When re-loggin in, - sometimes, *all* saved apps appear on virtual workspace 1, plastered on top of each other. Some more

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:12:41 +0100 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 12/14/2013 06:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2013 05:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: When re-loggin in, - sometimes, *all*

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session saving... will try and look into it. kevin

Re: Very rough storage validation matrix draft

2013-12-14 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:48 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 00:06 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: In my opinion, every one of those tests requires a feature owner. If no one volunteers, if a hand off isn't made, the functionality for the feature represented by

Re: Very rough storage validation matrix draft

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 10:56 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:48 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 00:06 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: In my opinion, every one of those tests requires a feature owner. If no one volunteers, if a hand off

Re: F18 up to F20 -- how?

2013-12-14 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 02:42:16 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2013-12-01 at 19:44 +, Beartooth wrote: I have several machines running F18, which I would like to change to F20 by some sort of upgrade, rather than a fresh install. Can anyone yet guess whether upgrading from a DVD,

Re: F18 up to F20 -- how?

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 18:28 +, Beartooth wrote: The only 'officially recommended' upgrade method from F18 onwards is fedup. The installer's upgrade mode does not exist any more. fedup is essentially just a fairly thin wrapper around a 'yum update' which is performed in a special

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
The defining characteristic of the Live images is that they run without installation on a user's disks. Beyond that, they have the capability to install a minimal Fedora system to a local disk. Once the size limit for a live image is increased beyond the capacity of a CD (or other common media),

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-14 Thread nonamedotc
On 12/14/2013 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session

Re: Fedora 20 RC1 AMIs

2013-12-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 02:50:50AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Hey Dennis, will the images going to mirrors be these or the ones with the extra RC1.1 dot, like Fedora-x86_64-20-20131211.1-sda.qcow2? The Images in RC1 and RC1.1 are exactly the same. the changes in the RC1.1

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 13:47 -0500, Richard Ryniker wrote: The defining characteristic of the Live images is that they run without installation on a user's disks. Beyond that, they have the capability to install a minimal Fedora system to a local disk. Once the size limit for a live image is

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Gene Czarcinski gczarcin...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed! There are environments/situations where there is no network connectivity (at least to the Internet) and never will be. It is this type of situations that will require a DVD. I run Fedora on a system that

Re: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 12/14/2013 09:12 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 04:46 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: While in RC1.1 anaconda booted with UEFI I was able to ftp the files in /tmp to my server. I then rebooted my office machine to RC1.1 that had been installed without UEFI. I tried

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-14 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 12/14/2013 11:15 AM, nonamedotc wrote: On 12/14/2013 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if

Re: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 12:48 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 12/14/2013 09:12 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 04:46 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: While in RC1.1 anaconda booted with UEFI I was able to ftp the files in /tmp to my server. I then rebooted my

Re: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 12/14/2013 12:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 12:48 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 12/14/2013 09:12 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 04:46 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: While in RC1.1 anaconda booted with UEFI I was able to ftp the files

Re: F18 up to F20 -- how?

2013-12-14 Thread Beartooth
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:32:12 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 18:28 +, Beartooth wrote: [] Yes, thanks again. After your post and Ed Greshko's, I did the first machine in question using his fedup --net 20; it worked fine. In a senior moment

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-14 Thread nonamedotc
On 12/14/2013 04:08 PM, Dan Mossor wrote: Although, as I'm writing this, I realized that when you said restored, I'm not quite sure if you mean restored upon login, or restored upon restarting the application. Sorry if it was not clear earlier - I meant restored upon login - **not**

Re: Fedora 20 RC1 AMIs

2013-12-14 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:22:42 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org escribió: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 02:50:50AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Hey Dennis, will the images going to mirrors be these or the ones with the extra RC1.1 dot,

Re: UEFI install on MBR partition scheme, was: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com wrote: On 12/14/2013 12:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 12:48 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 12/14/2013 09:12 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 04:46 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX

Re: Is yum groups broken in f20 ?

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 14:26 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: I managed to identify the specific change to yum which made these messages appear, and I think I know the attributes of the groups for which it appears: non-environment groups that are listed as installed in

Re: UEFI install on MBR partition scheme, was: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: It does not. So it sounds like Chuck's trying to do a UEFI install to an msdos-labelled disk, and that's the problem. I think this could use an RFE on the error message to be more clear what the problem is. Chuck, you

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 12/14/2013 12:38 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Gene Czarcinski gczarcin...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed! There are environments/situations where there is no network connectivity (at least to the Internet) and never will be. It is this type of situations that

Re: Is yum groups broken in f20 ?

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 14:26 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 22:35 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 12/08/2013 08:37 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Curious, why it blew up right now, just before F20 is released. It should have happened in alpha and not now.

Re: UEFI install on MBR partition scheme, was: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 12/14/2013 03:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: It does not. So it sounds like Chuck's trying to do a UEFI install to an msdos-labelled disk, and that's the problem. I think this could use an RFE on the error message to be

Re: UEFI install on MBR partition scheme, was: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 16:40 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 12/14/2013 03:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: It does not. So it sounds like Chuck's trying to do a UEFI install to an msdos-labelled disk, and that's the

Re: UEFI install on MBR partition scheme, was: Failed attempt to fpaste UEFI failure data

2013-12-14 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com wrote: Concerning Fedora's inability to boot from UEFI and install to a fdisk configured disk: A relevant error message would have been most useful. Like I said, I suggest you file an RFE against Rawhid for this message:

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, at 11:25:40 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: One thing they've floated as an idea is to have a separate 'installation environment' you could boot into from the live images - so you could either boot into 'try it out' live mode, or 'install it'

Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-14 Thread updates
The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 239 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-6117/eucalyptus-3.2.2-1.fc18 85 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17195/spice-gtk-0.18-3.fc18 79

Fedora 20 updates-testing report

2013-12-14 Thread updates
The following Fedora 20 Security updates need testing: Age URL 58 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-19198/quassel-0.9.1-1.fc20 50 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-19934/openstack-glance-2013.2-2.fc20 45

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/14/2013 06:20 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 22:27 -0500, Richard Ryniker wrote: Has Fedora QA discussed how much effort they should or can invest in organization and facilitation of others' test activities? Direct testing scales (approximately) linearly with number of people, but education, organization, and

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Gavin Flower
On 15/12/13 17:41, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 22:27 -0500, Richard Ryniker wrote: Has Fedora QA discussed how much effort they should or can invest in organization and facilitation of others' test activities? Direct testing scales (approximately) linearly with number of

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 17:47 +1300, Gavin Flower wrote: I don't know... Possibly charge a lot of money, give out fancy certificates, and ensure they have status and no real responsibilities! oh, I like it. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora