Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Bruce, I agree. The DAC reference is an LM7805CT regulator with 0.8mV/C (typ.) temperature coefficient. Considering that typical Oscillators (MTI units for example) have about +-20Hz deviation per 5V - this alone - excluding the Opamps tempco, would lead to a temperature drift

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hello Bruce, Hello Said despite the fact that the author is a ham radio colleage of mine I agree completly to what both of you said. Obviously, the longer you integrate the 1PPS GPS signal for, the better the accuracy will be. But the drawback of this is that the longer the integration time

Re: [time-nuts] Ball/Efratom FRK-L manual.

2006-10-21 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Colin, if you need the maintainence manual as well, send me your email address. bye Ulrich Bangert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von David Forbes Gesendet: Samstag, 21. Oktober 2006 06:57 An: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Dave Brown
Tks Bruce I did wonder why on earth he didn't use a timing rx-and that raised questions re the remainder of the design, but I've not had a chance to read it through completely as yet. My initial impression was that too many corners were being cut. Said's comment re the 7805 tempco was another

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Randy Warner
Said et al, Although everything said in this thread is accurate, I guess I find myself a little reluctant to just trash the author and the project out of hand. He is obviously a hobbyist without a lot of precision timing theory in his back pocket (hey, I'll place myself in that category, I learn

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Dave Brown
Well said, Randy. It wasn't my intention when I asked for comments to trash anybody or anything. In the somewhat 'rarefied atmosphere' of this forum I doubt that any comments made were intended to be anything other than objective. I guess the ultimate question is whether or not the claimed

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread John Miles
I think it'd be great to see Dr. Griffiths' list of issues in a letter to QEX, sans a couple of the more, er, editorial comments. This would give the author a chance to respond, and alert other builders of opportunities for improvement. Some of the concerns may not be major issues (e.g., it

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Randy Warner
John, I agree. I think it was the, er comments that seemed a little much. All EXCELLENT points, and as you say I am sure the author would appreciate any helpful comments. I'm sure he would like to make his next version even better. That's what this forum is all about.. Randy

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
John Miles wrote: I think it'd be great to see Dr. Griffiths' list of issues in a letter to QEX, sans a couple of the more, er, editorial comments. This would give the author a chance to respond, and alert other builders of opportunities for improvement. Some of the concerns may not be

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy Warner writes: Said et al, Although everything said in this thread is accurate, I guess I find myself a little reluctant to just trash the author and the project out of hand. He is obviously a hobbyist without a lot of precision timing theory in his back

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Tim Shoppa
John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the concerns may not be major issues (e.g., it seems safe to say that the FLL action will correct for drift caused by the 7805's tempco, unless you plan to dump a can of R134a on it), but others are worth bringing to the magazine's attention. If

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Tim Shoppa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Shoppa) wrote: Having seen some bad vibes unfold through the channels of the letters column and other communications with editors, I think that BY FAR the most useful thing to do would be to contribute an improvement (preferably with schematic) rather than a lengthy

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Tim Shoppa wrote: John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the concerns may not be major issues (e.g., it seems safe to say that the FLL action will correct for drift caused by the 7805's tempco, unless you plan to dump a can of R134a on it), but others are worth bringing to the

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-21 Thread tom
thanks for volentering sounds like you know what it takes to make a good one and set up the webpage.. tom w0kgw - Original Message - From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday,

[time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-21 Thread Didier Juges
OK, here is my problem. I do not think it is a unique problem, based on recent mail :-) I have read about the Allan Deviation and I understand the principle, even though the nuances between the 3 basic Allan deviations escape me at the moment, but I am sure it will come once I re-read the Help