Re: [time-nuts] Comparison of Logic Standards for Clock Distribution

2006-10-25 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi Said, Thank you for the answer and also for the attached measurements. The measurements I find particularly interesting and note worthy. It seems that digital signals provide high noise immunity in the sense that one relies only on one dimension to convey information: the cross-over point.

[time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Didier Juges
I have downloaded and installed Plotter, and found it easy to setup and use, at least for basic functionality. The menu threw me off a little bit (no simple File-Open dialog), but I am sure I will get used to it. I have ran my spare HP10811 overnight (twice), against the HP5370A's own

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: I have downloaded and installed Plotter, and found it easy to setup and use, at least for basic functionality. The menu threw me off a little bit (no simple File-Open dialog), but I am sure I will get used to it. I have ran my spare HP10811 overnight (twice), against the

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The apparent behaviour of your 10811's is far too good!! Over a period of 15,000 seconds the allan deviation should have reached a minimum and then increased as the effects of ageing manifest themselves. Either the oscillators are

Re: [time-nuts] Comparison of Logic Standards for Clock Distribution

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: Hi Bruce, Thank you for the elaborate answer covering different logic types. Funny enough, I have just read the excellent book you recommended cover to cover - probably the origin of many of my questions. As I said in reaction to Said's response - I am not

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hi Didier, the sigma-tau plot looks indeed strange! Can you send me the data file for some tests with it? 73 de Ulrich, DF6JB -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Didier Juges Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2006 15:36 An:

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier It would be useful if you describe in some detail your measurement setup. Which signals are connected to which inputs on the 5370A? How long are the cables? etc., Also given your source selection problems with the 5370A it may be instructive to run a simple test. Connect a low frequency

[time-nuts] HP 5370A A22 arming assembly circuit diagram error

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
The positive supply connection to A22:U7 (LM339 quad comparator) is shown as ground in the circuit diagram. This is surely incorrect as the inputs of U6B and U6C are connected to TTL(+5V VCC) signals. Surely this is not the designers intention The positive supply of A22:U7 should be +5V. Is

[time-nuts] HP5370A A22 arming assembly circuit diagram error

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Correction to previous post. (typed U7 instead of U6 VVC connected too ground OK for U7 as inputs are ECL levels. ) The positive supply connection to A22:U7 (LM339 quad comparator) is shown as ground in the circuit diagram. This is surely incorrect as the inputs of U6B and U6C are connected to

[time-nuts] HP5370A A22 arming assembly circuit diagram error

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Fix for yet another typo, I really should check the text more carefully. The positive supply connection to A22:U6 (LM339 quad comparator) is shown as ground in the circuit diagram. This is surely incorrect as the inputs of U6B and U6C are connected to TTL(+5V VCC) signals. Surely this is not

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370A A22 arming assembly circuit diagram error

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Correction to previous post. (typed U7 instead of U6 VVC connected too ground OK for U7 as inputs are ECL levels. ) The positive supply connection to A22:U7 (LM339 quad comparator) is shown as ground in the circuit diagram. This is surely incorrect as the inputs

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
Since I have only one readily accessible spare OCXO at the moment and I want to get the procedure right before I take anything else apart, I will feed the output of the 10 MHz reference from the 5370 into the START channel, and my DUT into the STOP channel and select SEP instead of START

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370A A22 arming assembly circuit diagram error

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: John Miles wrote: In the 5370B manual (2940A prefix), it looks like they are running U7 from +5 on pin 3 and -5.2 on pin 12. Probably a drafting error in the -A manual. -- john, KE5FX Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Correction to previous post. (typed U7

Re: [time-nuts] Comparison of Logic Standards for Clock Distribution

2006-10-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: Hi Bruce, You mentioned that locking to a crystal at the receiving end as an option. Does this mean that signal transmission is primarily plagued by short term noise? I have never really touched the topic of optical fibre, but I realise that it is superior to

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Didier Juges
Tom Van Baak wrote: Since I have only one readily accessible spare OCXO at the moment and I want to get the procedure right before I take anything else apart, I will feed the output of the 10 MHz reference from the 5370 into the START channel, and my DUT into the STOP channel and select SEP

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation - finally some data!!!

2006-10-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
Well, the idea was precisely to adjust the loop parameters in software on the PC, which would probably be easier than in hardware, with the time constants involved, then once those are established, implement them in a uC or in analog hardware. Is this a project to prototype and build a