Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
BUT, before you get carried away, here is a worthwhile article to read about a descrete circuit. The important thing is to read his description about how the circuit works and why he chose this particular circuit layout. It is quite interesting ! http://www.dextrel.net/diyzerocrosser.htm

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: At first this sounds a bit bold. I mean, there's lots of noise on the power line. Sometimes horrible spikes and all that. Surely, at some point a cheap counting circuit is going to be confused. What makes is easy are two

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Don Latham
OK, I wasn't paying attention as the info passed by. 'Xactly how is this huge signal introduced to the PC? I remember something about a voltage divider off the hot side of the line, put on an input pin of the PC's com port and then somehow timestamped and put on a data file. Howsat done again?

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
OK, I wasn't paying attention as the info passed by. 'Xactly how is this huge signal introduced to the PC? I remember something about a voltage divider off the hot side of the line, put on an input pin of the PC's com port and then somehow timestamped and put on a data file. Howsat done again?

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone Have Plug/Jumper Information on the 87-601 board in a TrueTime XL-DC?

2011-07-03 Thread Shane Justice
Hi Jim, Thank you so much for your kind reply! I had looked through diligently TrueTime's site prior to my original post, and just finished looking through Symmetricom's site, and found a very handy index, but I can't locate schematics or board-level pictorials of the main board. Also,

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/03/2011 09:37 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Note looking for a sample 990 to 1010 milliseconds from the last sample is a nice way get 1PPS from 60 Hz. This is more immune to noise than traditional division-by-60 techniques. As it turns out, I've gotten clean 1PPS data with no h/w or s/w

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Tom, The part that I am confused on is how the DCD pin is being accessed and time stamped. Where would I find software for that purpose ? Perhaps some of the others can straighten me out ? Especially if there is software that will run on an old Win 98 laptop. BillWB6BNQ Tom Van Baak

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Don, After Tom referred to the app note, I went and looked it up. While it is functional I would, by no means, ever suggest anyone actually use that method. It presents the possibility for personal injury and circuit failures. Even for a skilled veteran, all it takes is one thoughtless

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi! On 07/04/2011 12:32 AM, WB6BNQ wrote: Hi Don, After Tom referred to the app note, I went and looked it up. While it is functional I would, by no means, ever suggest anyone actually use that method. It presents the possibility for personal injury and circuit failures. Even for a skilled

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Why not kill two birds with one stone. Make a quiet linear power supply and use the low voltage AC for the zero crossing reference. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Don Latham
Hi Bill: I agree! even using a transformer without optoisolation gives me pause ... I just found the stuff, don't suggest it. Don WB6BNQ Hi Don, After Tom referred to the app note, I went and looked it up. While it is functional I would, by no means, ever suggest anyone actually use that

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz zero-crossing

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Tom, The part that I am confused on is how the DCD pin is being accessed and time stamped. Where would I find software for that purpose ? Perhaps some of the others can straighten me out ? Especially if there is software that will run on an old Win 98 laptop. BillWB6BNQ Hi Bill,

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
Here's yet another way to monitor power line timekeeping... This is about half a day from a webcam, taken at 15 minute intervals by a PC, compressed to a 12 second animated GIF. http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tec/mains-clock-ani.gif /tvb ___

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party

2011-07-03 Thread Scott Newell
At 09:54 PM 7/3/2011, Tom Van Baak wrote: This is about half a day from a webcam, taken at 15 minute intervals by a PC, compressed to a 12 second animated GIF. http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tec/mains-clock-ani.gif That's funny...I picked up a mains clock yesterday and started something

[time-nuts] More 60 Hz data/graphs

2011-07-03 Thread Hal Murray
I've moved the 60 Hz stuff from http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/ to http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/60Hz/ -- The main graph is now up to sightly over 4 days. http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/60Hz/60Hz.png Peak-to-peak is almost 8 seconds.

Re: [time-nuts] More 60 Hz data/graphs

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Hawkins
Hal, That's good stuff. Sadly, I've got to convert UTC to your local time to interpret the results, so I haven't done it. Tom's MJD will be even worse. The reason is that the loads that cause frequency droop occur during workdays. Lost cycles are made up at night, so I need to know when local

Re: [time-nuts] More 60 Hz data/graphs

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hal, That's good stuff. Sadly, I've got to convert UTC to your local time to interpret the results, so I haven't done it. Tom's MJD will be even worse. Bill, If you know C, see mjd_code.c under www.leapsecond.com/tools/. Otherwise, if you use Excel it's even easier -- just subtract the magic

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination - control

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Hawkins
Group, The effort to track power line frequency changes is laudable. I think the effort to determine the stiffness of the network by measuring the phase angle between GPS time and local line zero crossings is most interesting. But the following is about the frequency control problem. The main