Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Azelio Boriani
I had a noisy varactor experience too: in my Tek 492 one day I noticed an increase in the 0 beat noise and the PLL not working. When I replaced the 2.2GHz conversion varactor all was back to normal. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Tom Curlee tcur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'll second the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Adrian
Rick, thanks for the hint. I had a 2x 45 pF SOT23 diode at hands that works fine. The frequency could be adjusted without any changes to the circuit. Now as the 10811 is back in the 8662A, the diode will most likely keep living happily in there. John, it's a bit tricky. First of all, you

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Varactors are typically biased through very large decoupling resistors. The amazing part isn't that they get noisy, it's that they ever are quiet :).. In most circuits if they ever leaked at the rated max leakage spec, you would see all sorts of trouble. Bob -Original Message- From:

[time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Contact: Jupiter GPS questions

2012-10-19 Thread shalimr9
Hi TJ, The Jupiter receivers I have are the standard part, and like you I have found detailed design info hard to come by. All I can suggest for your issue is to use a small microcontroller to send the commands to the receiver at power up, then go to sleep until the next power cycle. I have

Re: [time-nuts] Jupiter GPS questions

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Seguin N1JEZ
Hi TJ, I recently ran into a similar issue with a Jupiter T. No NMEA output. What I found was the unit came up in Motorola Binary @ 9600 and sent only an initial string out. The solution here was to use a PIC. (I was actually working with a PIC done by Tommy Sullivan called 3DFIXLED) Here

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Contact: Jupiter GPS questions

2012-10-19 Thread Keenan Tims
There is an MSP430 port of GCC that works fine, and mspdebug is able to write the code to the chip via the programming hardware that comes on the Launchpad boards. TI also provides several free IDEs with code size limits, if you prefer that route. Definitely not as easy for a beginner as an

Re: [time-nuts] Odetics 365

2012-10-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
I've just re-read this post after looking at the replies. If the 365 is Time locked and showing and offset of 2.98E-13 then it looks to working fine, and I would suspect that it is the frequency counter oscillator that is drifting. Is the frequency counter free running or locked to any other

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Contact: Jupiter GPS questions

2012-10-19 Thread Dale J. Robertson
Using the arduino infrastructure can be dirt cheap! The arduino itself is just an Atmel atMega microcontroller with the arduino bootloader burned into the bootloader section of the controllers flash. For embedding you can buy a DIP atmel atmega328 chip already burned for less than $5. There are

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-19 Thread cfo
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:03:14 -0700, Hal Murray wrote: It's a typical low-cost GPS via USB navigation unit. It's not a timing receiver. I was wondering why there wasn't someone on the list suggesting this Trimble (The A4 board) $87 eb* 290730738839 From the desc. it needs a 48v PSU. But

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Rick Karlquist
I wonder if the glass case got a crack in it or if the kovar seal was failing. Maybe a failed solder joint (which gets fixed when you install the new diode). I've never heard of a noisy varactor before either. Rick ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread DaveH
I do not know the circuit in question but could you unsolder the varactor, solder in a 10pF cap and look at the output? The frequency would not be stable but if the varactor was the culprit, you should see less noise. My 2ยข anyway DaveH -Original Message- From:

[time-nuts] Attention Pete Lancashire - Mail is Bouncing

2012-10-19 Thread George Race
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Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Rick Karlquist
Slightly off topic: the oscillator transistor has some 1854- part number, but is actually a 2N5179 selected for some minimum fT at 30 mADC collector current. When the oscillator starts up, before the ALC takes effect, a fairly large DC current can flow and some 2N5179's don't have enough

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Adrian
I didn't notice any damage, nor was there a visibly bad solder joint. However, I couldn't reproduce the excess noise with a quick bench test at 30V / 100k neither. DC-wise there are a few microvolts only. Same with the SMD diode. Exept, when the original glass diode is exposed to light. With a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The normal 10811 package has several openings in it. Light *might* get in there. A micro volts level of noise can mess up your phase noise if it's AC noise at a low frequency. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of

[time-nuts] HP-5065A frequency adjustment advise and Common (all in) view GPS comparisons proposal.

2012-10-19 Thread Edgardo Molina
Dear Group, Good afternoon. I just realized that my two HP 5065As have been running for about a month and their operation has been closely monitored. Now I assume both clocks are stabilized. I want to start doing some phase and time comparisons between them and with respect of a TrueTime 5 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] Contact: Jupiter GPS questions

2012-10-19 Thread Paul Amaranth
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:27:39 -0700 From: Keenan Tims keenan.t...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Contact: Jupiter GPS questions Message-ID: 5081635b.9050...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread David McGaw
As I mentioned, the varactor is equivalent to the Motorola MV1650. I have a bunch as well left over from building VCXOs. :-) David On 10/19/12 3:37 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: Slightly off topic: the oscillator transistor has some 1854- part number, but is actually a 2N5179 selected for

[time-nuts] Adjusting HP 5065A frequency

2012-10-19 Thread cdelect
Edgardo, You do use the C-field adjust to put a 5065A On frequency. The Factory values are a moot point after all these years! Just incrementaly adjust the c-field control in small steps while observing the frequency comparison. The only thing that might happen is that you reach one end of the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Alan Melia
Rick, Adrian, I think there are a number of possibly material related areas that could cause a varicap to go noisy but I have no experience of them First a reversed biased diode makes quite a good particle detector :-)) and remanent radioactive atoms in say the glass could cause localised

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread DaveH
Back in the dark ages while dinosaurs roamed the earth, I worked for a music audio company outside of Seattle, WA called Tapco (they are now Mackie). They were making PA amplifiers and I and three other people were doing final test and burn-in. Had one that had a bit of a 60Hz hum on the

[time-nuts] Efratom FRK and M100 question

2012-10-19 Thread cdelect
It's been a few years since I really dug into the FRK and M100 but I do remember this particular common problem. You power the unit up and after the normal warm up period it locks and stays locked. Then if you cycle the power the Lamp refuses to light. Has anyone figured out the most likely cause

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom FRK and M100 question

2012-10-19 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Corby, Will it start when it gets cold ? How long do you have to let it cool before it will re ignite ? Perhaps the lamp oscillator has a problem where it will not oscillate when hot with the momentary lost of power. BillWB6BNQ cdel...@juno.com wrote: It's been a few years since I

Re: [time-nuts] Odetics 365

2012-10-19 Thread Rob S.
Hi Rob, The counter is free running and it has option fitted 4 fitted, a XOCO. After it was suggested I check the specs on the counter I obtained them and found that up to 2 Hz @ 10 MHz is in spec ( 6 months after Cal ) 200 Hz @ 1 GHz is in spec I was a bit disappointed I usually run

[time-nuts] Efratom FRK and M100 question

2012-10-19 Thread cdelect
Bill, When plugged in cold and after the lamp starts I can cycle the power and the lamp will re-ignite up to about 4 minutes into the warmup. After that the lamp won't start. Maybe the lamp heater is set too hot or the lamp oscillator is heat sensitive? Corby

[time-nuts] Wavetech/Wavecrest DTS-2010

2012-10-19 Thread Orin Eman
There was some discussion of the DTS-207X recently. There is a DTS-2010 on ebay for $265. Anyone know about this model? The usual searches come up empty. Orin. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Attention Pete Lancashire - Mail is Bouncing

2012-10-19 Thread Pete Lancashire
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