Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A Problem

2012-11-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There were a *lot* of firmware updates to the Oncores. I don't know if the re-flash images are still out there or not. If they are, it wouldn't hurt to upgrade the card. I don't think it will fix your problem, but it won't hurt either. Bob On Nov 7, 2012, at 1:06 AM, Ed Palmer

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A Problem

2012-11-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
Never found an Oncore firmware file... can you point me to anyone of them? I'm curious to see one. On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi There were a *lot* of firmware updates to the Oncores. I don't know if the re-flash images are still out there or not. If they

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A Problem

2012-11-07 Thread Rex
Back in the early 2000's Randy Warner was working at Synergy and posting here. He provided a lot of good and accurate details about the Oncores to the list. You might want to search the archive for his name and scan through the posts. He was a fabulous, accurate source while he was posting

[time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David Kirkby
Someone at my radio club uses some mode of operation where accurate time is required. He said the standard Windoze clock does not keep sufficiently accurate, so he has software which updates from an NTP server every 4 seconds or so. It's not exactly a denial of service (DOS) attack, but seems

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David
Some Windows NTP clients like Tardis can calculate and implement a clock frequency adjustment instead of stepping the clock if the time adjustment is below a specified limit. If he was using an application that was upset by the time being stepped, then that might allow less frequent updates. If

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread paul swed
Interesting I am unaware of any amateur service requiring that tight of a timing relationship. At least modern PC clocks do not drift that badly in a few minutes. So it is pretty odd. Without further detail I am at a loss for why you need to do that. Maybe he is tinkering with spreadspectrum?

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David
Some finicky software becomes upset if time is stepped backwards too far. I have seen PC hardware clocks that drifted 30 seconds a day but that only matters during a restart. The more common problem involves OS time drift, often amounting to seconds per minute, caused by bad System Management

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread Chris Albertson
Sure enough every 4 seconds would work, as would every 2 seconds. But I bet every 1000 seconds would work as well. We need some more details but it seem he has something badly misconfigured if 4 seconds updates are required. On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM, David Kirkby

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread bjones0
We had a presentation at our radio club several months ago on digital HF modes, and part of the presentation was on JT65 and apparently it needs a precise synchronized time fix on both ends for an exchange to occur. I do not recollect all of the details that were presented, but they did say that

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A Problem

2012-11-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi They did indeed exist. I haven't seen one for 10 years or so. Bob On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi There were a *lot* of firmware updates to the Oncores. I don't know if the re-flash images are still out there or not. If they are, it wouldn't hurt to

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 November 2012 23:28, bjon...@mindspring.com wrote: We had a presentation at our radio club several months ago on digital HF modes, and part of the presentation was on JT65 and apparently it needs a precise synchronized time fix on both ends for an exchange to occur. I do not recollect

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTPserver?

2012-11-07 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Paul think synchronous data transmission where you cant detect enough signal to synchronise reliably via the bit edges received. Initially developed for LF (136kHz) where the ERP of amateur antennas is very low. Google Joe Taylor but not for his Nobel prize, who's original interest was

[time-nuts] FE-5680A firmware dump (at last!)

2012-11-07 Thread Elio C
I'm sorry for the long delay (due to personal reasons) but at last I was able to dump the contents of the PSD chips which contains the firmware of the FEI FE-5680A rubidium frequency standard! I have also updated the schematics with some more details/information. You will find the new schematics

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread lists
Based on a sample of one (my NTP), I can hold the clock frequency to 0.1PPM. Seems to me you could compute the adjustment requirements from such a number. -Original Message- From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think you would do a lot better with a cheap GPS rather than fiddling with NTP for this level of timing. No real need for a GPSDO, just the raw pps and time of day straight out of the GPS. Probably no need for a timing grade GPS, just one with a PPS. Bob On Nov 7, 2012, at 6:47 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread Jeff Stevens
David, What mode is your friend using that he finds the need to do an ntp update every 4 seconds? I'm familiar with JT65 , but that does fine with a +/- 1 second error. -Jeff W7WWA ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTPserver?

2012-11-07 Thread paul swed
OK thanks for the pointer to joe taylor will look him up. This would be familiar to the very weak signal work I was doing years ago about 15 and I used discreet ICs to process very weak signals that were slow. But we would use a common view reference such as wwvb or a am radio station. These days

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi JT65 needs at most +/- 0.5 seconds. Just about any proper NTP running continuously on a Windows machine will do far better than that. There's no need for massive update rates to make it all happen. Bob On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Jeff Stevens j...@mossycup.com wrote: David, What

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread shalimr9
That sounds odd, as most radios take tens of millisecond, if not hundreds to switch from transmit to receive and back in any mode other than break-in CW. Further JT65 is used with propagation modes that typically do not have a stable or predictable propagation time like moonbounce or meteor

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David
The symbol time for JT65 is 2.69 baud or 0.372 seconds so one symbol is about 70,000 miles of propagation. The information I found online says synchronization needs to be within 1 or 2 seconds for decoding and closer is better. http://www.qsl.net/zs2pe/VHF/Downloads/JT65%20Technical%20Specs.txt

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/7/12 5:42 PM, shali...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds odd, as most radios take tens of millisecond, if not hundreds to switch from transmit to receive and back in any mode other than break-in CW. Further JT65 is used with propagation modes that typically do not have a stable or

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher Brown
There are 2 different things here. Setting the time based on a single query. Disciplining the local clock Many of the built in NTP clients just Set the time every X Setting one of these to SET the local clock every X seconds is a less than good thing. If you timing needs are loose, let

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A firmware dump (at last!)

2012-11-07 Thread paul swed
Elio Just downloaded the information. The schematic really is shaping up very nicely. On the dumps any suggestion for looking at them? Thanks for your hard work. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Elio C elio...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry for the long delay (due to personal

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTPserver?

2012-11-07 Thread David J Taylor
Someone at my radio club uses some mode of operation where accurate time is required. He said the standard Windoze clock does not keep sufficiently accurate, so he has software which updates from an NTP server every 4 seconds or so. It's not exactly a denial of service (DOS) attack, but seems