Re: [time-nuts] SR620 software and adjustment

2012-11-15 Thread Volker Esper
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Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Since many interesting sources are at 5 or 10 MHz, the magic of the 5313x in frequency mode goes away. They don't get much processing gain when the source and reference have edges at the same place. Stick with time measurements for ADEV. Bob On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Adrian

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David J Taylor
i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success. https://www.adafruit.com/products/746 james === It looks idea, James, but ... with the 15 mm square patch antenna it seems deaf compared to similar devices with 25 mm antennas. Perhaps

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/15/12 4:30 AM, David J Taylor wrote: i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success. https://www.adafruit.com/products/746 james === It looks idea, James, but ... with the 15 mm square patch antenna it seems deaf compared to similar

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:02:54 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 4:30 AM, David J Taylor wrote: i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success. https://www.adafruit.com/products/746 james === It looks idea, James,

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/15/12 5:33 AM, David wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:02:54 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 4:30 AM, David J Taylor wrote: i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success. https://www.adafruit.com/products/746 james

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:07:28 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 5:33 AM, David wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:02:54 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 4:30 AM, David J Taylor wrote: i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success.

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David J Taylor
-Original Message- From: David [] So the 16x manual says. As far as I know, all of the Garmin LVC, HVC, and 5Hz versions of their receivers have a timing pulse output. The GPS18 series that I have was replaced by the GPS18x series. Some of their receivers have TIA-232-F (RS-232)

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Smither
On 11/14/2012 10:56 AM, Bob Smither wrote: Do Rb oscillators wear out? I have found: snip Thanks for all the good information! I am running my FE-5680a 24/7, and, as suggested, have a couple of backups. At my age I should be set for life! One last question: what category of lamps do the

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The newer LPRO's should have modern lamps in them. Who knows what the older (1990's) parts have in them. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Smither Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:09 AM To:

[time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread cdelect
Bob, Rubidium lamps are purpose designed for particular units. However The Efratom threaded ones are mostly interchangeable. I'll see about taking a PIX of a variety of lamps and posting it. Something along the lines of the Rubidium Cell PIX I took at:

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread james machado
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:30 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success. https://www.adafruit.com/products/746 james === It looks idea, James, but ... with the 15 mm square

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David J Taylor
From: james machado [] all good points David. I originally had place mine close to a window to get a lock as it could not acquire any satellites in my home office otherwise. I don't have a south facing window and my office is on the first floor of a two story house. That may or may not have

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: ALl good ideas.. but I was looking more for something a bit more packaged.. like a hockey puck with wires coming out. Garmin GPS-18x. The GPS-18x is the newer version. The GPS-18 (no x) is no longer in production. There are several versions. Check the fine

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Hal Murray
david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said: Well, after 5 hours the Adafruit unit finally locked - must have been just the right combination of satellites! I was slightly surprised by the difference in antenna size. It would have to be placed near a window for normal use. .. There is another

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread Pete Lancashire
I'm also using Bob's method of resolving the issue of Life Time -pete On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Bob Smither smit...@c-c-i.com wrote: On 11/14/2012 10:56 AM, Bob Smither wrote: Do Rb oscillators wear out? I have found: snip Thanks for all the good information! I am running my

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread paul swed
I have to say I have my supply also. Though many of them will need the special heat treatment to clear the bulb. But heck at $25 I picked up 6 X cel site RBs. You can play around with them. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.comwrote: I'm

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 100, Issue 52

2012-11-15 Thread M. Simon
You can park large files at: http://www.mediafire.com/   Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit. From: time-nuts-requ...@febo.com time-nuts-requ...@febo.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 100, Issue 52

2012-11-15 Thread paul swed
Interesting another cloudy service. Thanks On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM, M. Simon msimon6...@yahoo.com wrote: You can park large files at: http://www.mediafire.com/ Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Chris Howard
You all were right, my targeting of the 50 ohm resistor across the oscillator output does not seem to have solved the problem. A good thing to do, probably, but not the answer. While I was all excited about the resistor change I also mapped out the control voltage (EFC) vs frequency change. I

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread WarrenS
Hold the Up arrow down for 3 sec and put your counter into the 10 sec range. That will give you another digit of resolution. Now the LS Digit will be 1e-10 / count enough to test short term delta stability of many things. ws - Original Message - From: Chris Howard ch...@elfpen.com

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On a normal 10811, you should see at least +/- 1 Hz change. It should go from 10,000,001.xx to 9,999,999.xx. That of course assumes the counter reference is right on frequency. Since it may not be, it's the 2 Hz delta between +5V and -5V you need to spot first. Right now you data shows 0.1

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: ALl good ideas.. but I was looking more for something a bit more packaged.. like a hockey puck with wires coming out. Me too, please. Something with a PPS, and an RS-232 output, withour soldering. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Graham / KE9H
Chris: This says your EFC circuit is not working, and you are only getting 0.05 Hz frequency change across the -5 to +5 EFC range. The spec on the HP10811 is 1.0 Hz minimum. And, yes, in a counter the EFC circuit is not used, so no one would know if it failed. It is very simple circuit. The

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: If I read this correctly, I'm looking at 9,999,999.97 Hz ? Correct -- the small digit to the right is the exponent. As others have mentioned, by holding the UP arrow key in for about 3 seconds, the 1992 will switch to a 10-second gate and give you one more digit of

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Chris Howard
On 11/15/2012 3:49 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: .90 VDC 9,999,999.90 How and where are you measuring the EFC voltage? Are you sure the voltage on the EFC pin of the 10811 (Pin 6) was the same as you measured? Was the EFC return pin (Pin 5) connected to the oscillator supply return

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Hal Murray
gha...@gmail.com said: Me too, please. Something with a PPS, and an RS-232 output, withour soldering. I don't know of any low cost no-soldering solutions. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:06:10 -, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: -Original Message- From: David [] So the 16x manual says. As far as I know, all of the Garmin LVC, HVC, and 5Hz versions of their receivers have a timing pulse output. The GPS18 series that I have

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Not much of a market for that sort of stuff. Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: gha...@gmail.com said: Me too, please. Something with a PPS, and an RS-232 output, withour soldering. I don't know of any low cost no-soldering solutions.

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think I'd try grounding pins 4 and 5…. Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Chris Howard ch...@elfpen.com wrote: On 11/15/2012 3:49 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: .90 VDC 9,999,999.90 How and where are you measuring the EFC voltage? Are you sure the voltage on the EFC pin

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB cheap chip saa6579 RDS decoder back to the chip

2012-11-15 Thread ehydra
paul swed schrieb: To the saa6579 As mentioned in the other thread. Simple to hook up. Cheap Requires 1000uv or more so that ends up making things more complicated. S/N is important, not so absolute amplitude. But in my case simply did not really work at 57 or 60 Khz. The chip looks for

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/15/12 4:10 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Not much of a market for that sort of stuff. Bob Big enough that Synergy Garmin have pricing for anywhere from 1 to 1000 units ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi ….. but not at the same sort of price as a consumer grade GPS. Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 4:10 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Not much of a market for that sort of stuff. Bob Big enough that Synergy Garmin have pricing for anywhere

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread gonzo .
The Sureelectronics board may be worth a look. RS232, USB and a claimed Time Accuracy of a rather optimistic 20nS. ian http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=98 http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=99 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:59:09 -0800 From: Hal Murray

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: Big enough that Synergy Garmin have pricing for anywhere from 1 to 1000 units I don't know of any GPS units with PPS that are both low cost and no soldering. There are several low cost units that come in a nice small package. But you can't just plug them into

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread DaveH
SparkFun? https://www.sparkfun.com/pages/GPS_Guide Great people to deal with -- they have a lot of information online for each module. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gonzo . Sent: Thursday, November 15,

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB cheap chip saa6579 RDS decoder back to the chip

2012-11-15 Thread paul swed
Henry Its been a while since that thread and I have not done anything with the chip. But to answer your questions. Really good signal to noise. The modulator is 6 from the saa6579. Its a home brew BPSK modulator and the transitions are programmable. But I am following wwvbs 1sec per bit. So the

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread John Miles
There seems to be a nascent market for small GPS receivers in the DIY drone hobbyist sector. I stuffed one of the modules from http://store.diydrones.com/category_s/10.htm (more info at http://store.diydrones.com/3DR_GPS_LEA_6_p/br-3drlea-6.htm ) into a small plastic project box and added a USB

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David J Taylor
-Original Message- From: Hal Murray [] There is another variable to consider: cold start vs warm start. If it doesn't know the time or doesn't have a recent copy of the satellite orbit info, it has to search a lot harder to get locked up. When you get a chance, disconnect it for an

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread Hal Murray
Tried you suggested test, and re-acquisition was fast - yes, it has battery backup; a feature I now consider essential! Has anybody done any studies on acquisition time vs time since solid contact? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: According to the documentation I have, pins 2, 4, and 5 are all tied together internally I think you may be correct. My recollection was that it needed to be done at the connector, but I may be mis-remembering. Worth a check, though. If you have Pin 6 ranging from + 5 V to -

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805

2012-11-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bob wrote: I've heard much talk in this group about the power supplies on the Z3805. * * * my Z3805 * * * started producing a real bad smell after a few hours, the classic burnt transformer type. * * * I opened the unit and found the 25W 5V, +/-15V (made by ATT) was real,