Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 11/23/2012 9:38 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: NIST have shown (at least at 10MHz) that the high level mixers they tested are noisier than the ZRPD1. Bruce Do you have a citation to where they said that? What you quoted doesn't make sense, at least, out of

[time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Joseph Gray
Can anyone recommend an inexpensive 12.8 MHz OCXO that outputs a sine wave? I've looked online, but the only ones I find costs hundreds of dollars. Anything 0.25 ppm or better is fine. A Vcc of 5-13.8 VDC preferred. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread David C. Partridge
With only 0.25ppm needed would a TCXO do? Howsabout this: http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/en/products/special-offer/128-mhz-crystal-oscillator-tcxo.html or http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/IQD%20FREQUENCY%20PRODUCTS/E4191LF.pdf or even http://cgi.ebay.com/310376642284 Dave

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread mike cook
Le 24 nov. 2012 à 09:26, Joseph Gray a écrit : Can anyone recommend an inexpensive 12.8 MHz OCXO that outputs a sine wave? I've looked online, but the only ones I find costs hundreds of dollars. Anything 0.25 ppm or better is fine. A Vcc of 5-13.8 VDC preferred. An uncommon OCXO freq. If

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Bernd Neubig
Hi Joe, I can offer you from our stock at AXTAL the following excellent: - OCXO 12.8 MHz in 20x20 mm package HCMOS, 5 V, stability +-10 ppb, as our AXIOM30-50-10, but with reference voltage output of 4 V (instead of 3 V). Frequency can be tuned by using the VREF. See www.axtal.com for details

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-24 Thread Rick Karlquist
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 11/23/2012 9:38 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: NIST have shown (at least at 10MHz) that the high level mixers they tested are noisier than the ZRPD1. Bruce http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/2556.pdf Where all the high level

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Joseph Gray
David, Thanks for the links, but none of those meet my 0.25 ppm requirement. Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David C. Partridge david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk wrote: With only 0.25ppm needed would a TCXO do? Howsabout this:

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Joseph Gray
Mike, Surprisingly, it isn' as uncommon as I first thought. The problem seems to be the cost, however. If I can't find something within my budget, I'll have to improvise. Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:53 AM, mike cook mc235...@gmail.com wrote: Le 24 nov. 2012 à 09:26, Joseph Gray a

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Joseph Gray
Bernd, Thanks for the offer. However, I am trying to do my project as inexpensively as possible. I was hoping to find something suitable for less than $50, or perhaps a used OCXO on ebay for less. Joe Gray W5JG. On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Bernd Neubig bneu...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Joe,

Re: [time-nuts] C-MAC hookup

2012-11-24 Thread Alan Melia
Joe do you have a model number I have a C-Mac data book for this company and they have a wide variety of packages Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, November

[time-nuts] WWVB new modulation...

2012-11-24 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Hi Chris, I'm sure they're leaking pretty badly, but it's not enough to bother my normal usage. My other receivers do not hear my standards even though they are in the same rack, but the Heathkit does, even with an outside antenna. The Heathkit's front end is not shielded worth beans as it

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Alan Melia
Joe the reason why its not so uncommon may not be obvious in the US :-)) 12.8MHz is used as a reference for commercial and amateur PLLs in Europe where the common channel spacing is 12.5kHz (/1024) or 6.25kHz (/2048). This may mean that 12.8MHz oscillators may be more easily found in Europe ??

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/24/12 8:28 AM, Alan Melia wrote: Joe the reason why its not so uncommon may not be obvious in the US :-)) 12.8MHz is used as a reference for commercial and amateur PLLs in Europe where the common channel spacing is 12.5kHz (/1024) or 6.25kHz (/2048). This may mean that 12.8MHz oscillators

[time-nuts] FE-5680A no 10MHz RF output?

2012-11-24 Thread James Peroulas
I received a 'programmable' FE-5680A from nichegeek recently and I'm able to get it to lock (pin 3 goes low) and produce a PPS output (pin 6). However, it never produces a 10MHz output on pin 7. Is this unit defective, or is there something I might be doing wrong? My unit is labeled: FE-5680A UN

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A no 10MHz RF output?

2012-11-24 Thread Ed Palmer
I have a similar unit that I picked up a few years ago. It only has a 1 PPS output. That's the way it was designed. There are so many different versions of this stupid model that it's impossible to be sure what you're buying until you get it on your bench. If yours is like mine, the DDS is

Re: [time-nuts] C-MAC hookup

2012-11-24 Thread Joseph Gray
Alan, My friend only sent me what I posted. However, he emailed me this morning and said that he has what he needs now. Thanks to those who replied. Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Alan Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com wrote: Joe do you have a model number I have a C-Mac data

[time-nuts] FS/FT HP 5335A

2012-11-24 Thread Lizeth Norman
Wanted: microwave counter. Must go to at least 18 GHz. For trade: HP 5335a. Working. HPIB, Enhanced HPIB triggering options, etc.. Depending on unit cash can be part of the trade. Pics and other docs, drop me a note. 73 de Norm n3ykf ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] FS/FT HP 5335A

2012-11-24 Thread J. Forster
You might want to ask on the EIP_Microwave Yahoo Group. EIP made some of the best microwave counters ever. -John = Wanted: microwave counter. Must go to at least 18 GHz. For trade: HP 5335a. Working. HPIB, Enhanced HPIB triggering options, etc.. Depending on unit cash can be

Re: [time-nuts] Best phase detector / mixer for 100MHz?

2012-11-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Rick Karlquist wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 11/23/2012 9:38 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: NIST have shown (at least at 10MHz) that the high level mixers they tested are noisier than the ZRPD1. Bruce

Re: [time-nuts] FS/FT HP 5335A

2012-11-24 Thread shalimr9
I have a working EIP 371 that is surplus to my needs. It has the interesting source locking feature (described on my web site) Didier KO4BB Sent from my Droid Razr 4G LTE wireless tracker. -Original Message- From: Lizeth Norman normanliz...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sat,

[time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Mark Spencer
Greetings. I recently acquired two Z3805A gpsdo's from the usual auction site. (These units look like a Z3801.) Does any one know the specified output level for the 1pps signals or have a high confidence measurement of the output voltage that they could share with me ? (Measuring fast rise

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB new modulation...

2012-11-24 Thread Christopher Brown
Ahh. Small lot w/ antenna restrictions here, so my main antenna is a inverted L 35ft from my second floor shack. Means that any leakage that can be detected in the shack with a small loop at 4 feet can be easily heard on the main antenna. So, filters and ferrite chokes on everything, LMR240,

Re: [time-nuts] FS/FT HP 5335A

2012-11-24 Thread Lizeth Norman
Didier, What are you asking? Trade+ cash? 73 de Norm On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 3:50 PM, shali...@gmail.com wrote: I have a working EIP 371 that is surplus to my needs. It has the interesting source locking feature (described on my web site) Didier KO4BB Sent from my Droid Razr 4G LTE

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Said Jackson
Mark, Are you terminating the 1PPS output with 50 Ohms? They expect 1M Ohms.. Bye, Said Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote: Greetings. I recently acquired two Z3805A gpsdo's from the usual auction site. (These units look like a

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
and, yes, if your 'scope has the 50ohm/1Mohm input capability, use the 1M one. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.itwrote: Usually the PPS output from the Z-series GPSDO is a 26uS wide (from the HP58503A datasheet) TTL pulse. To measure it you must use a

Re: [time-nuts] 12.8 MHz OCXO

2012-11-24 Thread Dave G4FRE
I had a similar requirement a couple of years back. I ended up using a $10 VCXO, and a $20 Jupiter GPS. The circuit used was the one on page 12 of http://g4jnt.com/DDSVHFBeaconDriver.pdf by G4JNT. It just scraped in under $50 Dave Ww2r Message: 4 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:01:25 -0700 From:

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
Usually the PPS output from the Z-series GPSDO is a 26uS wide (from the HP58503A datasheet) TTL pulse. To measure it you must use a fast oscilloscope (because of the fast pulse rise time) and an analog or digital memory (because of the very low repetition rate). The best is to use a digital

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Hal Murray
mspencer12...@yahoo.ca said: Does any one know the specified output level for the 1pps signals or have a high confidence measurement of the output voltage that they could share with me ? (Measuring fast rise time signals is not really my forte and I don't trust my measurements of an apparent

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread David
TTL transition times are not all that fast, about 6ns for LS TTL, and with a 26uS pulse width, you would only need a fast oscilloscope to characterize the pulse edges. Delay, phase, and pulse height measurements in this case could be made even with a 20 MHz, 0.35/20Mhz=17.5ns rise and fall time,

[time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread Pete Lancashire
What is the MS type for the power plug for a 5061A ? I could not find it in the PDF I have. -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks all for the responses. I am routing the signal via 50 ohm coax to the 1Meg ohm input of a 100 Mhz analog scope using dc coupling. After some fiddling with the trigger settings I am able to observe a brief pulse every second that appears to be .15 volts above ground. I'm not

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread David
I can think of some possibilities with the caveat that I am not familiar with the Z3805A units: 1. The PPS output could be damaged. 2. The PPS output could be an open collector/drain output which requires a pull-up resistor since it can only sink current. 3. The PPS output might have trouble

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
Pete, In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector and shell are a DMS3106A18-22S. http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A18-22S You will also need a clamp and strain relief. I use a DMS3057-10A. http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-10A It is the same connector as a

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread paul swed
I hoped it helped also. I know it did for me. Will order 2 sets so I can finally have real connectors on the 5061 and 5065. I wonder if its the same for the standby power supply may need to order 3. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:35 PM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote: Pete,

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/hp5065a/conn.htm /tvb (iPhone4) On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: What is the MS type for the power plug for a 5061A ? I could not find it in the PDF I have. -pete

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
Paul, According to the 5089 manual, the power connector is the same. Both the 5085 and 5089 call for the same HP part number for the AC power cord. Therefore, I suspect they are the same. I have a 5085 hooked up and I can make sure tomorrow if you need it. Joe -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread Pete Lancashire
18-22S is what I needed, now to go into the depths of the garaged and find the box of MS connectors. -pete On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:35 PM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote: Pete, In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector and shell are a DMS3106A18-22S.

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread Pete Lancashire
I've had a few emails on what I meant by just needing the 18-22S. The series of connectors this on is from came out in WW2 to attempt to standardize on connectors. One feature is the outer shell and the inner insulated center are interchangeable. This glossy gives a pretty good overview and how

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
Forgot to mention, when you get the DMS3106A18-22S, you'll have to unscrew the back, remove the connector insert, file out a small 'key' in the material, and rotate the insert to achieve the desired alignment to mate with the connector on the 5061A or the 5065A. The alignment is the same on both

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
Unfortunately, my junk box is not so well stocked with MS connectors. The DDK units are much cheaper than the Cannon connectors. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread David I. Emery
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 08:35:44PM -0600, J. L. Trantham wrote: Pete, In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector and shell are a DMS3106A18-22S. http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A18-22S You will also need a clamp and strain relief. I use a DMS3057-10A.

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector

2012-11-24 Thread Peter Bell
If you are going to be filing them, then you should wear a face mask - the base plating on those things (even now) is normally Cadmium. What you actually want is a MS3106A18-22SW, but it looks like that vendor only supplies connectors with the default polarization. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at